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I can sum up this record in three words: sounds like NOFX. It has elements of pop, hardcore, street punk, and yes, they even threw in some ska. There are some politically motivated lyrics,(Franco Un-American, Idiots are Taking Over) some stuff that's pure kitsch (She's Nubs, Whoops, I OD'd) and a few more "hey look at us, we're NOFX" songs along the lines of Theme From a NOFX Album (Mattersville, 13 stitches). It has clever cover art, that being the American flag with a charicature of good ol' Dubya made up to look like a clown. At 14 songs in around 30 minutes, it follows all the rules for a good punk rock album. There were highlights and a few low points; let's tackle the highlights first.

Fat Mike's lyrics are even more honest and inspired than ever on this record. Whether he's addresing his political views, big business, or just getting old, he delivers with an excellent blend of wit, truth, and sarcasm. A few times, he even sacrifices the rhyme scheme and meter of the song to make sure he gets in everything he wanted to say (check out the chorus of "Franco Un-American".) It's nice to see a band that actually gives a shit about the subject matter of their songs.

It's also nice to see, amongst all the politics and angst, that the guys have not lost their sense of humor. "She's Nubs" is hilarious, similar in many ways to "Monosyllabic Girl" from So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes. "Mattersville" also falls prominently into the humor category. In this song, Fat Mike fantasizes about a gated community for aging punks... it sounds lame, but once again NOFX successfuly makes a sub-par idea worth your while.

Finally, the music. The hardcore songs on this record are slightly edgier and less harmonious than on previous releases. There are a lot of new sounds here, like a saxophone intro on one of the ska tunes, an Ozzy-inspired synth part in the middle of "The Irrationality of Ratonality," as well as a few songs that rely on synthesizers to carry the melody, like "Franco Un-American" "Mattersville" and "Medio-core."

Now for the bad news.

A bad thing starts to happen to bands after they are together for so long. Be it laziness, lack of creativity, or general lack of interest, most bands tend to stop developing at some point and start releasing what is basically the same record over and over again. Think Aerosmith, and you'll know what I'm talking about. NOFX has fallen into a similar groove. Starting with Pump Up the Valuum, you can basically listen to the rest of the NOFX catalogue and it would be difficult to tell where one release ends and the next begins. I would dare say that NOFX has become sterile. Not that the music is bad; on the contrary, I quite enjoyed the record. However, I was never surprised with what came next.

While it's true that Mike's lyrics are coming more from the heart these days, it seems that the subject matter is getting a little played out. We all know that he hates the president, and the ways of the world, and other bands, and we're also well aware of the fact that he is, indeed, Fat Mike, and that his band is more successful than yours. Sometimes he sounds a little silly repeating himself ad nauseaum about the same things. After the launch of punkvoter.com, the hype in all the Fatwreck e-mails and newsleters, andthe slew of anti-government propaganda being issued from the Fat camp these days, I expected something a little less trite. I was looking for a full on, angry protest album, and what I got was half of a lighthearted of a NOFX album, half Fat Mike proving to the masses that his political lyrics don't stand up to those of Propagandhi, Good Riddance, or Anti-Flag.

Also, they started playing ska again. What up with that? Fucking hypocrites. :)

In all, a good record, definitely worth your $10. It comes with an enhanced CD and a poster, and if you pre-order it from Fat, you get entered into a drawing to win one of six extremely limited edition 7" records. The music is good, but not great like "Punk in Drublic" or "Valuum." Even without being an instant classic, it is definitely worth a listen to anyone who has ever enjoyed a NOFX record in the past.



People who liked this also liked:
NOFX - The DeclineNOFX - Punk In DrublicNOFX - So Long and Thanks for All theNOFX - Pump Up The ValuumThe Lawrence Arms - Oh! Calcutta!Rise Against - Revolutions Per MinuteOperation Ivy - Operation IvyNOFX - 45 or 46 Songs That Weren't Good Enough To Go On Our Other RecordsAgainst Me! - is Reinventing Axl RoseDescendents - Milo Goes To College



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    Posted by Cpk on 2007-12-28 21:13:39

    i dont like this band much but i see how u can like them from this cd i dont no if ill ever get in to them as much...

    Posted by iseeingreen13 on 2007-08-23 10:03:40

    First off, this album has some amazing music. I think that is hard to deny. Hefe and Melvin's guitar harmonies are intense as ever. As for similarity to older albums? i have read some reviews on Punk and drublic and how it is NOFX' greatest release, and then i hear these reviews saying its the fucking same as punk and drublic and pump up the valuum. why was it good then and not now? well for me it still is good. if nofx went changing their style and experimenting with crazy shit, i probably wouldn't listen to them. their speed and precision blow my mind. smellys drums and fat mikes bass lines are driving as ever and it smashes the message home.
    the second thing is,
    you guys are saying that their lyrics are too political. yet, you go and fucking say that you love anti-flag. punk is about making a difference in the world and letting all you ignorant suburban white kids know that your safe little community is really all you have right now. you have to know that the world is in kinda rough shape, so why don't we make it better. any NOFX' lyrics have aways had political views, althoguh not as straight forward as this one. maybe they're are listening to some propagandhi :) which everyone could do.
    by the way propagandhi is about 567993839x smarter and more politcaly aware than anti-flag. propagandhi would kick anti-flags ass.

    this cd is sick.
    buy it.

    i'm out.

    Posted by There_are_peas on 2007-06-15 03:57:11
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    Never a good thing to go TOO political...(anti-flag do pretty much suck, but then so does much of what's on fat).
    Some pretty good songs here, but nothing that compared to the likes of white trash or punk in drublic...worth buying all the same.
    and most of the music mentioned in 'we got two jealous agains' is stuff worth checking out. Jealous again is damn good

    Posted by Sedrick on 2007-03-11 12:09:07
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    That's the better album that a punk group can made !

    SedRicK

    Posted by assgoblin on 2007-01-15 16:42:35
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    a few good songs, many lack luster songs

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 25, 2006 at 6:14 AM (EDT)
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    Very boring. The first four songs are great and "We Got Two Jealous Agains" has nice lyrics but everything else is so painfully generic it hurts to listen to. The new album is better.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 at 2:44 AM (EDT)
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    Really sad album....Just dont know how you people can tolerate the moronic lyrics here...

    Mike sounds more like an idiot than a serious political activist...
    I recommend Punk In Drublic...

    Posted by rylo6 on 2006-03-27 18:50:23

    beautiful cd, one of the few cds taht i can listen straight through to every song

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 27, 2006 at 4:39 PM (EST)

    Hmmm... klonny

    The opening track is The Separation of Church and Skate, so technically I mentioned it.

    Posted by FuckYouOiOiOi on 2006-01-22 19:18:02

    i think regaining unconsiousness is the best song on this album.

    cause swimming alone at sea, is not the kind of freedom that you actually want

    fucking awesome.

    Posted by klonny on 2006-01-22 09:37:46

    Dude, how could you not mention Seperation of Church and Skate? That's one of the best songs I've ever heard.

    With that said, the rest of NOFX hasn't really caught me yet.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 27, 2005 at 11:07 AM (EST)

    Almost everyone here sucks. There's the people who think NOFX are gods and the ones who hate them till death. Both of you can kiss my ass. Really, it's not a good album, and it's not a bad album. You don't like NOFX? Fair enough, don't listen to them but don't go whining about it all the fucking day. You love NOFX? Fair enough but you don't have to be sucking their dicks every day. This album had some great songs, like the opening track and she's nubs for example. But this album lacks a lot of good songs, half of it is not good enough to be in a good album. I only agree with that guy who said "3 stars, some great songs but that's all". That's a way to state an opinion.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 at 7:54 PM (EST)
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    This is getting old. NOFX has always been a really shitty band. NOFX, MXPX, NUFAN, and others are all the same bands shitting out the same shitty albums every shitty 2-3 years. I can only hope that this is their last record..ever.

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 6, 2005 at 3:20 PM (EST)
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    i hate fat mike. on this album he comes across as a 12-year-old who has just discovered that the government isn't always right about everything. "vegetarian mumbo jumbo" to "i'm eating vegetation cuz of fast food nation". oh well better late than never.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 19, 2005 at 5:53 PM (EDT)
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    This album is great all the way through!!! The best album i've heard in AGES! Also has introduced me (just 17) to a lot of new punk bands thanks to "13 stiches" and "wer got two jealous agains" Every song on this album reaches at least an 8. AWESOME! Hope the next one is as good!

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 5:35 PM (EDT)
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    why are people who do not like NOFX on this page???????

    Posted by Poison_Operation on 2005-08-06 22:12:55
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    This CD was the shit when I first bought it, because it was my first NOFX CD and I hadn't heard much from their earlier albums. Then I started to get into their older stuff, and found that their earlier albums were better. It's a good CD that "sounds like NOFX" (to quote the reviewer). I just prefer their older stuff.

    And my favorite NOFX full-length is "So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes," if anyone really gives a fuck (I know I probably wouldn't).

    --Steve--

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 at 5:48 AM (EDT)
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    I can't say I don't like this album because I do. It's not as good as their other albums but hey!...People get old.NOFX is my most favorite band of all time. Hell I'm just some stupid 8'th grader but I know when there's some good punk.This album gets a four for NOFX lying about not playing ska anymore.
    -Vaughan
    p.s. listen to White Trash Two Heebs and
    a bean!!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 10:56 PM (EDT)
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    a few pretty good songs, but since when has nofx become so political in all of their songs? just not the same...

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 25, 2005 at 4:18 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    Best Punk Album In the Past 10 Years

    Posted by thatswack on 2005-01-07 18:23:16
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    Fuckin rockin album. The diversity is also good.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 8:12 PM (EST)
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    I can't believe all of you. First of all to right all wrongs almost all punk-rockers, punks or anyone else with half a brain that listens to good music like this knows that all the stuff NOFX said is all true. But then again if you're a close-minded bastard, like lots of people who reviewed, then you can say that "oh, well, NOFX shouldn't be spouting false political claims." Just so you all know any respectful punk-rocker should have enough depth to actually realize that maybe, just maybe, they were right and Bush really is an asshole. Then again this whole cd isn't all about Bush. It's about the awful things going on in the US that really needs to be known. They're spreading their message which is their right. Let them do whatever the fuck they want, cuz they're right. And they are NOT republican. And saying that this album is boring being just about politics, well then you obviously didn't listen, cuz lots of songs were an intelligent form (sorta') of NOFX being rebles. It rocked, and you all sucked. And I'm not going to respond to anything you try to yell at me for, so don't bother. I don't give a fuck. And if you're going to insult them or the people who reviewed this, at least make it half-english PLEASE!!! Come on, we've slaughtered this langugae enough, after all, The Idoits ARE Taking Over.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, January 3, 2005 at 8:10 PM (EST)
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    I can't believe all of you. First of all to right all wrongs almost all punk-rockers, punks or anyone else with half a brain that listens to good music like this knows that all the stuff NOFX said is all true. But then again if you're a close-minded bastard, like lots of people who reviewed, then you can say that "oh, well, NOFX shouldn't be spouting false political claims." Just so you all know any respectful punk-rocker should have enough depth to actually realize that maybe, just maybe, they were right and Bush really is an asshole. Then again this whole cd isn't all about Bush. It's about the awful things going on in the US that really needs to be known. They're spreading their message which is their right. Let htme do whatever the fuck they want, cuz they're right. And they are NOT republican. And saying that this album is boring being just about politics, well then you obviously didn't listen, cuz lots of songs were an intelligent form (sorta') of NOFX being rebles. It rocked, and you all sucked. And I'm not going to respond to anything you try to yell at me for, so don't bother. I don't give a fuck. And if you're going to insult htem or the people who reviewed this, at least make it half-english PLEASE!!! Come on, we've laughtered this langugae enough, after all, The Idoits ARE Taking Over.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 at 4:57 PM (EDT)
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    This was a good cd not their best but whatever it had classic nofx styles and new shit. Everyone is saying nubs is a funny song which it is but i haven't read anything about the fact that it is based on a actual punker chick that goes to there shows theres a picture of her sitting on fattie's shoulders on their website no arms or legs and she is actually kind of hot. Anyways stop bitching about it being the same shit if you want different listen to some mindless self indulgence. If you want good punk instead of this scared to say anything bad about anyone except your ex mtv g rated bullshit listen to this album or any other nofx album including heavy petting zoo!!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 at 3:23 AM (EDT)
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    I've been a huge NOFX fan for about the last 7 years. Apparently contrary to popular belief, this is definitely their best. Not only is the variety at it's best, but the lyrics and musicianship are somehow still improving. "Whoops I Od'd" is unlike any NOFX I've ever heard, with funny yet thought-provoking lyrics, while "Idiots Are Taking Over" is thought-provoking yet funny. People who criticize this album for being "all about George Bush" are not in touch with reality. There are three out of fifteen songs that point at least some hostility towards Bush or his policies 1) Franco Unamerican 2) American Errorist and 3) Re-gaining Unconsciousness. But come on, even if that were a valid argument, NOFX have always had political awareness--The Decline didn't write itself. So what I'm saying is that this album rocks, and so does every single song on it. Well, maybe not Decomposeur. That song's not very good. But the rest are.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 8:07 PM (EDT)
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    sense when is it not punk to care about that kinda shit?

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 3, 2004 at 2:24 PM (EDT)
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    The title for this album was a mistake. It should have been 13 or 14 songs that weren't good enough to go on our other album 45 or 46 songs that weren't good enough to go on our other records. Since when does Hippie=Punk, global warming,animal rights, bla bla bla.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 3, 2004 at 2:19 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    poop

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 30, 2004 at 12:10 AM (EDT)
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    This is the first NOFX album I've listened to, And I was very impressed. better than what i expected from a 20 year old band.

    Posted by crizack on 2004-05-14 23:31:59
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    i enjoy comedy, especially songs about limb-less girls that go to punk rock shows.

    i don't know why, but i can't hate nofx. it is as if i were born with the gene that forces me to enjoy it.

    Posted by martini89 on 2004-05-13 18:21:10
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    this cd was really great, if ur really into nofx or jus liked this cd check out heavy petting zoo. Rock Against Bush! ! ! ! !

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 29, 2004 at 11:58 PM (EST)
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    You're all asses -- donkeys. Before you write a review to criticize somebody more talented than you, revise your work and use spell-check you stupid, stupid people. If you like this album, then please disregard; but use proper English.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 29, 2004 at 12:35 PM (EST)
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    all of you have no life... this score is for you guys, i hope you all die

    Posted by plutocracy on 2004-03-22 08:00:15
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    Yeah, there are two different kinds of people. Those who try to be cool by complaining about bands not being innovative, and those who try to be cool by complaining about bands not staying true to their sound. I'm usually one of the latter.

    NOFX themselves try to be both kinds, ending up as total hypocrites. "We play punk rock." "We play ska". "We don't play ska anymore." "We play ska. So what?"

    Posted by threechordsandthetruth on 2004-03-02 06:25:32
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    People bitch about bands not changing their sound ever (Bad Religion, NOFX). People bitch about bands changing their sound (Saves The Day, AFI). ever hear of catch-22?

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 26, 2004 at 7:24 AM (EST)
    My Score:

    10 dollar?! Here is it 20 euro, that 20 dollar:S

    Posted by prettyvague on 2004-02-18 16:32:26
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    not sure bout the ska bits, bt still a pretty quality album. better than the other crap i buy. cut out the ska, and the pop bits and u got some quality stuff

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 10:36 PM (EST)
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    This album Rules, I can't wait for the Rock Against Bush tour to begin...

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 6, 2004 at 12:49 PM (EST)
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    This record really is great.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 12:05 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    "Awesome, awesome record."

    I agree.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 at 12:05 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    Awesome, awesome record.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 2, 2004 at 4:40 PM (EST)
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    NOFX Blows, their political views are the biggest bullshit views i have ever seen, and the world derserves to take a crap on them and this gay CD

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 1, 2004 at 5:01 PM (EST)
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    "your an idiot. Enough said."

    you'RE an idiot. Enough said.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 30, 2004 at 1:48 PM (EST)
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    worst nofx release. end.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, January 30, 2004 at 12:08 AM (EST)
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    "NOFX's political lyrics dont stand up to anti-flags!?! anti-flag is possibly the most uneducated band in punk rock. dont ever review anything again, please"

    your an idiot. Enough said.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, January 22, 2004 at 4:11 PM (EST)
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    this record rocks? tell me how they suck? tell me how their millionaires? you pussys are just like blah blah they wreck punk well sit on it and grow the fuck up nothings punk anymore

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 4:31 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    worst record since ever.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 4:31 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    i agree, this album is bullshit

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, January 17, 2004 at 4:31 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    this band fucking sucks.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 26, 2003 at 12:28 PM (EST)
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    Great album. Very like Nofx. That motherfucker whose pissing on them because they (might) do it for the money. That asshole must shut his fucking mounth. Ever see Linkin Park? That are miljonair guys. If you don't like the album by that reason, FUCK OFF/

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 24, 2003 at 11:02 AM (EST)
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    Great album.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 6:53 AM (EST)
    My Score:

    they sux as usually. fake punk and good business men.(who wants to be a millionaire ?)

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 22, 2003 at 1:27 PM (EST)
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    i have to disagree, bands like anti-flag, propagandhi and good riddance wield much stronger political messages than nofx

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 at 3:32 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    If you eat a whole bottle of cinnamon, it makes your semen taste better.

    Posted by notfeelingcreative on 2003-12-09 23:24:33
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    Worst NOFX album ever!

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 11, 2003 at 2:49 PM (EST)
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    you think nofx is republican? did you really say that? i hope you are joking

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 9, 2003 at 5:41 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    punk rock and republicans don't mix

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 at 10:36 PM (EST)
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    "nofx should stop copying blink 182 geeze when are these guys gonna learn"

    you're a moron. i hope you're joking. if not, then i hope you die a painful death

    Posted by plutocracy on 2003-10-27 04:46:00
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    Yeah, because Blink 182 was started 10 years before NOFX and they re-invented melodic punk rock and NOFX are just ripping them off those bastards. Or was that the other way around.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 25, 2003 at 7:19 PM (EDT)
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    nofx should stop copying blink 182 geeze when are these guys gonna learn

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 23, 2003 at 6:16 PM (EDT)
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    Thanks for lesson on voting, buddy. I don't know why people are so up in arms about NOFX having political songs. Seriously. They've always had political songs.

    But, this is a good album.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 20, 2003 at 4:25 PM (EDT)
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    Someone has more time on their hands than me.

    -BSD

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 3:45 AM (EDT)
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    This album is probably their worst ever. C'mon NOFX serious and political? Gimme a break. I'm sure Tesco Vee has political beliefs too, but did he feel the need to shove them down my throat using his Meatmen? I now kinda feel like I do when watching a Sean Penn movie. Geez, he's a great actor and everything, but he certainly is an idiot when it comes to politics. The worst part is that NOFX is just plain wrong and giving out blatantly false political analysis.

    As a political scientist myself, let me assure you that the U.S. is a republic, not a democracy and we elect representatives to govern. In the case of our president, we elect them not by popular vote, but with representatives who vote at an electoral college. Al Gore received more popular votes, but did not get more electoral votes. This has happened before and will continue to happen as long as there is an electoral college. The Electoral College has been in place since the constitution was written and the Republican Party did not even exist at that time. If the close election had been decided by a flip of a coin instead, I’m sure NOFX (and whoever fed them this whacked out liberal conspiracy stuff) would be claiming that evil republicans must run the mint and improperly weighted the quarter to make Bush win.

    That said, the Supreme Court ruling that basically threw out votes from a county in Florida, which eventually gave Bush all the electoral votes for that state (it's winner takes all and always has been) had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the county was largely Democratic. It had to do with previous court rulings and election laws that tried to stem the widespread voter fraud once prevalent throughout America.

    Basically, every state can count its votes how it likes, as long as it follows some federal guidelines of accuracy and integrity. However, if one county within that state counts its votes different from another county in the same state, then it becomes a problem because each vote in the state is not being counted the same way. Thus if one method of counting is 99% accurate and another method is only 75% accurate then the whole basis of our voting system has been corrupted because “one man, one vote” does not hold if my vote has a 25% chance of being thrown out (if everyone’s did then it would be seen as fair and egalitarian). This is precisely how the mob ran Cook county politics (I’m not trying to pick on Chicago, rather just citing a specific example) and thus could swing state and even presidential elections by winning that state's electors through manipulation of just one large populated county (it is widely speculated that JFK's election was due precisely to this illegal practice).

    Therefore, the Supreme Court in 2000 had to decide which way of counting in Florida was legitimate and to throw out the ballots from the counties that did not do it the most accurate or most widely accepted way. The only reason this became an issue is that the race was so incredibly close that this issue could decide it. It may seem that you could just establish the accuracy of all the voting systems in the state and then count the votes according to this percentage. However, there are major legal problems with this (remember “one man, one vote”), but there are centuries of legal precedents that allow certain counties or districts to be thrown out altogether due to voting irregularities. It is simply much easier to do so and since that’s how it always has been done, it probably always will be done in this way as well.

    The 2000 Supreme Court ruling however, was so influential that it has required states to institute one uniform system throughout the state, instead of letting each registrar do it as they feel fit.

    If you look on the internet about California's recent recall election, a court challenge was made that essentially would have put a stop to the election altogether for the very reason that not all counties in California count votes the same way. It was eventually ruled that the election could continue. Since it ended up being a landslide win for Arnold, it doesn't become and issue. However, if it were a tight race, the losing candidate would almost certainly have demanded a recount and then challenged certain counties’ voting systems. This happens all over the country in local, state and federal elections all the time. It rarely happens in presidential elections because they rarely are so close.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, October 6, 2003 at 2:20 PM (EDT)
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    Seriously, this album is really good.

    Posted by novascotia4012 on 2003-09-29 22:59:57
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    Gets a three for the only three good songs on here: Irrationality of Rationality, Medio-core, Whoops I OD'd

    Posted by joeg on 2003-09-15 12:59:55
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    eh not bad. good to hear them playing some more ska parts.

    Posted by PunkStarPrincess on 2003-09-10 11:47:55
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    I was pretty impressed with the new album, it sounds...well like NOFX which is good, so many bands now a dayws are constantly changing their sound(IE AFI) and I think that NOFX has consistantly given us the same great stuff, yet reinvented with the new alum! thumbs up

    Posted by PunkStarPrincess on 2003-09-10 11:47:52
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    I was pretty impressed with the new album, it sounds...well like NOFX which is good, so many bands now a dayws are constantly changing their sound(IE AFI) and I think that NOFX has consistantly given us the same great stuff, yet reinvented with the new alum! thumbs up

    Posted by PunkStarPrincess on 2003-09-10 11:46:09
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    I was pretty impressed with the new album, it sounds...well like NOFX which is good, so many bands now a dayws are constantly changing their sound(IE AFI) and I think that NOFX has consistantly given us the same great stuff, yet reinvented with the new alum! thumbs up

    Posted by funkisdead on 2003-09-10 11:29:39
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    argh this is in the top 10?
    quick, i guess its better than count the stars.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 8, 2003 at 11:04 PM (EDT)
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    After a couple weeks of listening, you'll realize how much this CD sucks. NOFX needs to give up. Punk In Drublic was their best, but even then it wasn't THAT good. NOFX was better when they sucked.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 6, 2003 at 2:56 AM (EDT)
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    NOFX's political lyrics dont stand up to anti-flags!?! anti-flag is possibly the most uneducated band in punk rock. dont ever review anything again, please

    Posted by FuckArmageddon77 on 2003-08-20 17:58:21
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    I was both skeptical and excited when this CD first came out. I have been a long time NOFX fan, but in all honesty I was of the belief that their material has been moving steadily downhill after "White Trash, Two Heebs, and a Bean". However, due to Fat Mike's recent tendency of being more vocal as of late in regards to our political climate, I was interested in hearing how this album was going to turn out.
    So I bought the CD and I must say that in my opinion this is the best damn album NOFX has produced in almost a decade. Hooray!
    Now, I don't learn about politics and current events by listening to song lyrics. I prefer to get my info from more informed sources (Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn, Micheal Moore, The Nation, Guardian UK, etc.) However, I do feel that in times of political/social crisis or upheaval, it is the role of any artist (or musician for that matter) to address the issues as best they can from their own perspective. Fat Mike is not a political scholar, and while you are much more likely to find a more profound or in-depth critique of our culture and policy from more well-read entertainers such as Jello Biafra, Greg Graffin, or even Propagandhi/Good Riddance/Anti-Flag, the fact remains that somehow, our current national problems have become so grossly epidemic that a previously non-political (bordering on novelty) band has felt the need to say something about it. And despite the humor and sarcasm, it's fairly safe to say that they are pissed off. And the fact that they have felt pissed off enough to comment on it is a fairly strong statement on it's own.
    In short, I think this is one of my favorite albums to come out this year. And it is one of my Top 3 NOFX releases of all time (the other two being Punk In Drublic and White Trash...and The Decline but that's just a single)
    Anyhow, I've you're looking for in-depth commentary, you're better off with another band (or even better...try reading something from someone who actually studies this stuff). But if you want sharp, biting wit and satire, The War On Errorism is a damn good place to find it.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 16, 2003 at 11:22 PM (EDT)
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    This is by far the greatest fucking NOFx album ever!! i loved it!! they are still one of the best fucking bands in teh world!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 15, 2003 at 11:18 PM (EDT)
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    Some songs are really good but others fall short from one giving it more than two listens.Thou, I like mike's focus on politics this time around and since its quite an appropiate time. i dont really care if they went back to playin ska cuz they shouldnt be limiting them selfs to just straight ahead punk. also the first track is really cool with that whirling riff. Overall a strong NoFx album but not amazing.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 6, 2003 at 8:42 PM (EDT)
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    i always sorta liked nofx, but this cd made me buy their other cds, this cds abillity to ad political views that most artists are afraid to use is refreshing

    Posted by RondoMondo on 2003-07-30 23:37:00
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    NOFX is one of my favorite bands and all, but this cd is downright disappointing. It's like Heavy Petting Zoo. Both cds have the few memorable songs, but both fall short on the radar of the best NOFX cd. This cd was made out to be the rawest and most political cd, but came out to be...just lackluster. I mean they make fun of No Use For A Name on 'Separation of Church and Skate'...which is pretty weird, them being label mates and all, but it does provide a laugh. But all in all, this cd was nothing that it was touted to be.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 10:34 PM (EDT)
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    This is my real score.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 10:33 PM (EDT)
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    I really didnt like this as much as I liked their older cds. The lyrics seemed dumbed down. It's like they TRIED to be "all political and shit". I thought they had more to say when they weren't even "trying."

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 22, 2003 at 6:01 PM (EDT)
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    Well, i think that this album gives mike's cinicism about how 'the notes and chords sound similar' some justification. It has its moments but not really enough to satisfy my needs as a NOFX fan, i love the way they usually produce albums where i repeat each song and don't get tired of them but perhaps this album is the end of the line and a hefty anti-climax, or perhaps i'm being too harsh, after all, it's still in my CD player right now, i seem to be going back Franco Unamerica alot cos i like it :). As for the lyrics, maybe i just don't understand after all i am..... British (don't hurt me. I still like the band and enjoy their music and i can't say this album was a waste of money cos there is no way i could leave it on the shop shelf.

    Posted by newworldslacker83 on 2003-07-22 14:46:25
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    well well. a NOFX review, and trust that to bring out the "sk8r boi's"... hehehehe... kidding, seriously tho kids, nofx does kick ass, i don't deny it. but if you wanna support that movement, go out and buy a noam chomsky book and find out what it's all about! don't talk to people about anarchy cuz you bought a sex pistols or an anarchy tshirt at hot topic. you probably don;t know what it really entails. and then, if you plan on limiting your intake of punk to nofx and lagwagon and shit, then don't come to a punk forum and "diss" old punks or call yourself a "true punk". if they cared and knew where you lived, they'd probably come to kick your ass. i suggest you go see a real show and get into a real mosh pit. meaning, if you've never been a adicts or a subhumans show, you don't know what your missing kids. NOFX simply put out an album in the same style that they know people love because there was a more acute and more defined message on this album. perhaps the purpose of not straying from the musical "formula" is because they chose instead to focus on the message. hey, it's just a thought
    *rock out whenever you can*

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 20, 2003 at 5:32 PM (EDT)
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    good album. the ska songs dissapointed me a bit...

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 5:36 AM (EDT)
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    ""If you don't support Bush, why are you arguing on his behalf?"

    Because he's not all wrong just like Democrats aren't all right."

    Bush IS all wrong though. Honestly, relay, think about what good he's done for anybody. Think long and hard. If you can come up with 5 things, you get a million bucks. This isn't a Clinton/Bush argument, either. Also, quit trying to hide the fact that you're obviously a conservative Republican.

    -BSD

    Posted by Le_MAD on 2003-07-15 00:25:49
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    Stupid comments:

    1."Have you forgotten that true punk is not giving a f**k and rebeling."

    Rebelling because WE GIVE a fuck. That's true punk.

    2."Any american band moaning about their economy should spend some time in an african state."

    I don't think NOFX ever wrote a song about the US economy, but the fact that americans are richer than africans doesn't mean they don't have any significant problems to solve in the country. People of other nations have to start caring more about their own countries and less of the americans. (And that doesn't mean we have to let them go to war with everybody, for exemple). We can't hate them because they are rich and powerful...

    3."Well it seems as if the whiny libs would rather have bush in office so they can sell records. when bush leaves in 5 years nofx will go back to their old style, if they already arent burnt out by then."

    The use of the word "whiny" makes you an asshole.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 10, 2003 at 10:54 PM (EDT)
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    Alright I really enjoyed this CD and it makes some strong points what the hell has happened to the goverment and world I mean come on and no I dont just get my political views from Fat Mike and Michael Moore. I mean what the hell, everyone in the punk community is not punk anymore. You guys just like the music and that why people are following. Have you forgotten that true punk is not giving a f**k and rebeling. I mean NOFX is pretty strong on their stuff and no I am not a new NOFX fan I listen to all their records. The Seperation of Church and Skate makes a good point on how my generation is going. evryone is being too overprotected. It's crazy. NOFX even threw in some of their humor in Shes Nubs and Mattersville. Listen to this record!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 8, 2003 at 3:15 PM (EDT)
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    the hard fast songs rock, but the ska and slower songs suck, just like all the other nofx records. no. 2 rocks(downloaded this one coz where i live it would have cost me $40 and just the thought of where that money would go makes me sick). im sick and tired of nofx looking at this from an american point of view just like everything else, where can we go, i dont wanna be another i-dont-care-i-can. whatever. any american band moaning about their economy should spend some time in an african state. anyway this isnt about examples, just seems that seen as ur labelling everyone else i feel fine in labelling ur lyrics as following the same policies as the ones that ur trying to sing against. still love the album though, even if i have to grit my teeth for the slower lame songs. but hey thats what nofx is all about. gonna go and listen to dig. anyone have any facts about how many nofx albums are sold out of the us? anyway lets keep punk punk and not turn it into macdonalds punk.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 3, 2003 at 6:31 PM (EDT)
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    This is one of their best. The only one better then this is Punk In Drublic.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 1, 2003 at 11:19 AM (EDT)
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    I miss Punk In Drublic...

    Posted by jooshua on 2003-06-30 21:24:36
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    this is a great album. it might be their best album yet, or next to pump up the valuum. fat mike really expresses his mind about the topics of the world today and i like it.

    Posted by Manman on 2003-06-27 23:17:06
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    Nixon's Olfactory Farm Xtra made a real stinker this time. These guys could stand to take a shower or two because this record done stank to high heaven. Rosie O'Donnell must be rolling in her grave by now.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 27, 2003 at 1:25 AM (EDT)
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    well it seems as if the whiny libs would rather have bush in office so they can sell records. when bush leaves in 5 years nofx will go back to their old style, if they already arent burnt out by then

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 24, 2003 at 9:55 PM (EDT)
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    "Sometimes he sounds a little silly repeating himself ad nauseaum about the same things" - Wtf is that all about? The reason he is repeating himself is because the presidents fucked politics is still as evident now as it was when Mike began to comment him. Nofx kicks ass, and so does their latest album:)

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 22, 2003 at 2:57 AM (EDT)
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    The song She's Nubs is about a girl from Toronto named Talli, she's basically a torso but she's a really cool girl. I had the chance to hang out with Mike and the rest of the bands at the Toronto show last year when I was working for FAT Canada. It was funny listening to him talk to her and the song is just as hilarious. Look for Talli the Torso next time NOFX play Toronto.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 3, 2003 at 4:18 PM (EDT)
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    to anonymous: it sounds a little bit like it(at some moments) but you should try to make more than 200songs without some that have some ressamblences...
    so what i wanna say you suck and your comment does suck even more
    NOFX are still the best...

    Posted by lunchbox on 2003-05-29 22:34:49
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    i really like this cd. it has a lot of good song and i'd happy they brought back some ska stuff. all the songs are great and the enhanced cd stuff is awesome. i suggest that all fans of punk rock give this album a try.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 29, 2003 at 8:23 PM (EDT)
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    To the guy who asked about the 13 Stitches thing- Buy the CD and find out for yourself.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 23, 2003 at 1:14 PM (EDT)
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    holy shit i thought only i noticed nubs and fun things to fuck are the same. u missed another one though, aside from quart in session, franco unamerican sounds alot like 'party enema'. this album is ok.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 23, 2003 at 12:59 AM (EDT)
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    hey... can anyone tell me why the drums on 13 Stiches are so weird?? is is the version from the internet or the CD version has also this weird drum sound??

    Posted by squeeves11 on 2003-05-22 18:13:09
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    the lyrics of this album are definetly some of the best NOFX has ever had. yes some songs are weak, but have to applaud NOFX for standing up for what they believe in and taking a stand.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 22, 2003 at 5:34 AM (EDT)
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    just curious - did anyone else happen to notice...

    1) the melody from "she's nubs" is almost exactly the same melody from "fun things to fuck".. it's even in the same key

    2) the melody from "franco un-american" is almost exactly the same melody from "quart in session"... also in the same exact key

    3) "medio-core" has a VERY strong resemblence to the song "lazy train"... although at least this one's not in the same key

    It's one thing for a band to perfect a style, it's another thing for a band to recycle their old song melodies almost verbatim. Maybe the younger/newer fans won't even notice, but I think this album will be especially disappointing to the more avid NOFX fan.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 11:24 PM (EDT)
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    I didn't expect to like this.

    I'm a huge Nofx fan but I think my musical tastes have changed and matured since my Nofx obsession a few years back. Anywho, I am surprised with this. its actually a really good, solid effort. Sure it has some poor songs (Mattersville, 13 stiches), but it also has some really great tunes (Seperation of church and Skate, Regaining Unconciusness). Well, they haven't changed, not in the slightest. If you liked there previous stuff, i think you'd like this too. Even though they don't change over time, I still manage to be interested in there stuff, unlike other stagnant acts like Pennywise and No Use. Yay Nofx, Yay fat Mike. Fuck elitists!

    -bemused-

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 8:56 PM (EDT)
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    Moron. Look at this or any other place stupid punks can post on the internet. That is probably why.

    This album rocks, but whoever taught Fat Mike to play keyboards should be shot.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 21, 2003 at 10:36 AM (EDT)
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    hey fat mike against the machine -- how come there's no place to post opinions on either the fat wreck website, nofx.org, or punkvoter.com?? are you simply trying to push your agenda like everyone else?? where's the freedom of speech big guy? scared of other opinions besides your own? how can you push your views down everyone's throats and not give a forum for response? I actually applaud you for fighting the good fight, but if you truly want the kids to get all sides of an issue, give them a place to read and post what other punk kids feel, not just what you think they should think... by the way, the war on errorism ain't bad.
    ejerlenmeyer@aol.com

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 19, 2003 at 11:31 AM (EDT)
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    I can only agree with the person who said "it´s sad that all you punkers get your political info from fat mike and michael moore"

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 2:20 AM (EDT)
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    i only gave it a one because i havnt heard it yet.....i just wanted to say: FOR FUCK SAKE ITS JUST A FUCKIN CD!!!! stop with all the educational political bullshit and just enjoy the music!!! good god nobody cares about who did what and who thinks what about politics. keep your stupid opinions about who is liberal and who isnt and all that other bullshit to yourself. this is punknews.org, not the fuckin House of Representitives! just say whether you ilike the album or not and tell what songs are good and what arent. why is everyone so worried about looking smart? fuckin idiots

    Ahahaha. I bet you were really proud of yourself after writing this one. But so you don't have a fit I'll talk about the album. This album would be a lot better without "Mattersville," and "Anarchy Camp."

    Vote Nader

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 18, 2003 at 1:55 AM (EDT)
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    Obviously enough people care to argue abou it.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 17, 2003 at 3:03 PM (EDT)
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    i only gave it a one because i havnt heard it yet.....i just wanted to say: FOR FUCK SAKE ITS JUST A FUCKIN CD!!!! stop with all the educational political bullshit and just enjoy the music!!! good god nobody cares about who did what and who thinks what about politics. keep your stupid opinions about who is liberal and who isnt and all that other bullshit to yourself. this is punknews.org, not the fuckin House of Representitives! just say whether you ilike the album or not and tell what songs are good and what arent. why is everyone so worried about looking smart? fuckin idiots

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 16, 2003 at 10:23 AM (EDT)
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    Hi, I`m from Brazil and I just want to say that, NOFX is the greatest band in the fucking world. The new CD is great.

    NOFX is the band witch never get old.

    Bye
    Macarrão

    Posted by lunk on 2003-05-15 03:27:26
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    ha ha! check this out:

    if you put this cd in your computer, the nofx video thingie comes up automatically...

    now...

    type 'roids'...

    then wait...

    ha ha! FATARI! classic!

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 14, 2003 at 11:22 AM (EDT)
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    This record is the best record I've ever heard..
    I agree with most of Fat-Mikes ideas and I think the lyrics are good and delivers a good message to punkrock kids.

    If I wouldn't agree with the lyrics,
    I probably would have liked this CD less..

    If I didn't like the kind of punk NOFXs plays I would probably think the record sucked..

    But I sure as hell wouldn't bring it up on a message board..

    Grow up..
    If you didn't like the record,
    write down what you didn't like.

    If you didn't listen to it all all or doesn't like NOFX generally,
    You must be really bored and really alone.. Proving what to who?

    And too all the people that gave a score with yellow stars..

    I agree this Album really rocks and NOFX is a good band..

    See y'all at Okie dogs

    Posted by relay1112 on 2003-05-13 18:09:07
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    Addendum:

    Clinton marketed himself as being a very moderate liberal to win the election. One of his campaign advisors had a startegy called the "triangle strategy." That is, you take your position, your opponent's position, and make a triangle; the new tip is your new position! HMM! You bought it; hook, line and sinker.

    Correction:

    "The exception, of course, being some southern Democrats who are rather *CONSERVATIVE* (for a while, many Southerners refused to be Republican because of Lincoln)."

    Posted by relay1112 on 2003-05-13 18:05:30
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    Oh man, where do I start?

    "Correction: Clinton wasn't a liberal."

    Clinton was extremely liberal in social policy. Need an example? He vetoed Congress' bill banning partial birth abortions not once but TWICE. Additionally, I am using the word "liberal" to avoid you guys accusing me of labeling people as Democrats.

    "And if you think Bush is a better president, then you are mad."

    Where did I say that? Oh wait, I didn't.

    "our economy is in such a ditch that people with solid college degrees can't find jobs in the midwest"

    When Clinton came into office, the economy was already on the rise. During his terms, the tech boom happened and the economy soared. Recession was already beginning towards the end of CLINTON's term. Enron and Worldcom happened during CLINTON's term. Therefore, Bush inherited an economy already on a recession, and that recession was facilitated by a major terrorist attack and the corporate scandals which occurred during Clinton's term. So, why is Bush to blame again?

    "The people of the country are more torn apart than ever over the wars we have gotten into."

    More torn than ever? Ever heard of Vietnam? Ever heard of the founding of our country? There was a fuckin' 70% approval rating! Just cuz you see people chaining themselves to the streets and blocking traffic on TV doesn't mean that the nation was "more torn than ever." Unless, of course, 70-30 is torn right down the middle?

    "It is also evident from the several historical/political inaccuracies you made that you don't know what you're talking about."

    Which?

    "I'm not a democrate, republican, independent, or green party member, but at least I know the difference between a democrate and a liberal."

    Apparently you aren't a "democrate," as if you were, you'd at least know how to spell it. Clinton was liberal in social policy and was a Democrat, a party that is ALMOST ALWAYS liberal in social policy. The exception, of course, being some southern Democrats who are rather liberal (for a while, many Southerners refused to be Republican because of Lincoln).

    "But you probably think a liberal is a bad thing... Go fuck."

    Assumptions assumptions. Oh, and you forgot to put in the second half of yoru insult. What, exactly, am I supposed to fuck?

    "If you don't support Bush, why are you arguing on his behalf?"

    Because he's not all wrong just like Democrats aren't all right.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 4:35 PM (EDT)
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    "So let's see... Clinton, a Liberal president, engages in TWO military actions with "less than 1/100th" of the world's consent.""

    Correction: Clinton wasn't a liberal. And if you think Bush is a better president, then you are mad. All foreign fucked-up affairs aside, our economy is in such a ditch that people with solid college degrees can't find jobs in the midwest. Bush is trying to tear apart our national parks, something more "criminal" than what Nader does. The people of the country are more torn apart than ever over the wars we have gotten into.

    It is also evident from the several historical/political inaccuracies you made that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not a democrate, republican, independent, or green party member, but at least I know the difference between a democrate and a liberal. But you probably think a liberal is a bad thing... Go fuck. If you don't support Bush, why are you arguing on his behalf?

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 9:28 AM (EDT)
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    '
    'seriously, who cares? They are way past their prime, and I just sold my 2 tickets to their show on Friday because of it. Boredom is not on my list of fun.

    *****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****'

    aren't you the one who likes allister?
    '

    He's the one who likes simple plan ;)

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 4:19 AM (EDT)
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    Not that I necessarily wish to incite political riot, but I recently discovered some information about Ralph Nader that I found surprising, and the previous comment bringing him up sparked me to share.

    If you attend any major public institution of higher education, you probably are funding Nader without your knowledge. I attend the University of Colorado and was unaware of it until a few weeks ago. Ralph Nader founded organizations called "Public Interest Research Groups" or PRIGs that recieve automatic funding from hundreds of universities across the country by siphoning money from each students mandatory fees (it's usually between 2 and 6 dollars per person). The university's governing bodies must approve this, of course, but I'm sure very few students are aware of it.

    These PRIGs then use this money for many noble causes, including the Student Environmental Action Coalition. Local SEAC chapters pay dues to support the national organization. It lobbies on such political issues as social justice, environmental justice, military spending, welfare reform, global warming, and corporate governance. All well and good things in principal. However, it is practically criminal to be funding them through individuals who may completely disagree. Most importantly, it's counter to the 1st amendment.

    Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1777 that "to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." And it is possible for students to wade through a sizable sea of buraucracy to get their money back, but few actually will (or even know they could).

    Personally, I'd rather choose where to give my money, rather than having the tributaries of my tution hid behiend a smokey mass of acronyms and deception. That's some finance reform to chew on, Mr. Nader.

    Follow up this info on your own at: http://i2i.org/Publications/IB/Education/studentfees.htm
    and: http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm#PIRG

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at 2:44 AM (EDT)
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    I voted for Nader, and I will next election. I suggest you get involved in voting in case you value your privacy.

    Here, read about the TCPA (the Anti-TCPA to be more specific), but you can read about how Democrats can be assholes too. :D Money can work wonders on your congressman.

    http://www.againsttcpa.com/tcpa-faq-en.html

    Th e TCPA/Palladium must not happen if you value your right to privacy.

    Posted by relay1112 on 2003-05-12 21:42:21
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    A correction: we did not go into Kosovo alone. We strong-armed NATO into backing us. NATO, however, is far less united and represents far less of the all-important proportion of nations.

    Posted by relay1112 on 2003-05-12 21:37:21
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    We've got a little genius here!

    "Nope... And if you think a "liberal" would attack a foreign country with less than 1/100s of the world's consent, you obviously don't know much."

    Nice job putting "liberal" in quotes. I said a Liberal president; they can be classified as such without being an attack. Furthermore, you are wrong. Let me explain:

    When Clinton invaded Bosnia, he requested UN approval and it was denied.

    Clinton notified the UN about Kosovo, but did not request their input. We did it alone. In fac