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Published on August 19th 2003
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It seems most of the comments on this record are saying either Rancid sold out or didn't, without looking at how good the songs actually are. To the guy somewere down under me... Rancid kicks ass rancid didnt sell out by signing to warner. they've been in this scene for so many years now, and have worked so hard to get where they are now, they deserve a lil bit of cash. and green day are the same way. actually, for you dipshits who didnt know, the guys in green day have been playing with tim and matt since they were in op ivy. and both bands are good friends. they are from the same area and both blew up at the same time and have supported each other ever since. people just like green day more than rancid. big deal. i can understand where people might say green day are sell outs. but i dont think they are. at least they aren't as bad as good charlotte. now you wanna talk about sell outs, then theres the band for you. Fuck Jesus. This album is great. Fuck Jesus Jesus why are they in the dark so much???? I cant wait 3 years or more to wait for a cd by them? does anyone in this world knows whats the lastest on them is???? The cd is great!!!!!! this album is awesome.this is for RANCID punx First of all, this album is stunning. In terms of songwriting it is unrecreatable. If you have any exprience at writing songs you will know what I mean. Second, In terms of selling out, maybe rancid got greedy, but they havn't gone too far and the real crime in selling out is misreprisenting punk in order to make money, for example, greenday are not punk, but happily accept the title and exploit it to make money. It is irresponsible of bands like greenday to confuse and distort punk by reprisenting it as somthing it is not. Rancid, on the other hand, have not done this. They have lived punk, understand it and reprisent for what it is. To me, punk is about anti-ignorance, open-mindedness, saying 'fuck you!' and being proud of it. Rancid are a very specific type of band. They are very individual in terms of sound, lyrics and attitude. Their approach and view of punk not easy to understand unless you know punk and have a place for it in your soul, so don't be so quick to judge. So many of you people are so stupid. Jesus Christ i love rancid man, i just wished they didn't go with warner ya know. good charlotte is gay!!! why is that guy in the Fall back down video Feeling a bit relaxed when i read this said by Lars: The album is great, the second best so far (...Wolves is the best ofcourse). But there's a BUT, even two but's. Why the fucking hell are they doing a video and puting it on MTV, well I not too bothred by that, BUT when fucking Kelly Osbourne (what a JOKE) and fucking Good Charlotte-fashion punk fuck are in the video, thats when you start to get pissed off. Second but is why they even think the thought of co-working with Warner, thats sux hard, really hard... I hope that they will relize their mistake and say fuck off to Warner and stop hanging out with Osbourne-teen and GC-fucks. all rancid albums are 10 FALL BACK DOWN REALLY GOT ME THROUGH TOUGHT TIMES you fucking clit face your a queer For all you queers who think rancid is a sellout band because they went on tv, FUCK YOU. you all are a bunch of clit faces who doesnt like good music anyways FAN for life Also, why the hell are we spending our lives analyzing a bands decision making skills? Whatever decision they made it fucking fine with me, atleast the distribution will be better. How do you even know they did it for money? Maybe they actually WANTED more distribution for more people to have a chance at the cd. What good is a message that isn't heard? Fall back down REALLY helped me to get through a tough time with my friends... "I'm happy Warner distributed this, because I can find it in Korea. Try asking at any Seoul record shop for the new Larry Arms, it's a fucking disgrace" worst rancid album ever...but some very good songs...actually i dunno if being on TV makes a band a sellout, rancid sold out way the fuck back when ...and out come the wolves came out. timebomb and ruby soho were hits on MTV... O.K. dumbshit who hates Rancid cuz they were on TV your fucking lame, you trendy ass fucker. Your just another one fo thsoe lame asses who are like oh that bands on TV...time to be cool and hate them now, its so stupid. who cares what the band does its up to them, as long as Rancid keeps on putting out GREAT cd's i will buy them, they were one of the first punk/ska bands i ever got into and i support them 100%. as for the rest of you who think they sold out and are going to bitch about it grow the fuck up, nothing is punk anymore, there are so many posers and trendies now its not even fit. Any ways, this album is great GO BUY IT! Greatest band of all time This album is very good. But everybody is fucking good charlotte. Thats write GOOD CHARLOTTE IS CHILDPUNK. BUT thats no reason to fuck off Rancid. They don't sound anything like Good Charlotte. O yeah, that guy who hates Rancid because it was on television... Dude what are you doing. They are on television, so? Whats your problem. I think that you didn't mean that. I think you are such a asshole that wants to be "cool". And don't write your email address, so you can't be calling names. hahaha nerd. That guy who hate Rancid beacause it was on television is a stupid motherf***er. He hates it beacause it is knows by everyone. But here in the Netherlands it is very different. Know one knows Rancid. They don't even know blink 182. So your opinion is bullsh**. You like the cd for the music. Not that ereyone listening to it. Fuck all you fucking hating you so-called rancid "fans". Rancid have been at it for at least a decade and they know what there doing. What does it matter if they sign to a bigger label(read:warner) they still have the same energy as in all of their records. All you haters just shut the fuck up and go on with your life. Youll dont know shit about being in the business I read that someone on here hated the guy singing at the end of 'red hot moon'. I actually thought for a second that it was jesse from op ivy making a guest appearance. I guess not. I didnt really listen to the actual lyrics. Anyhoo, was anyone else fooled for a second? did you see good charlotte in that video that's some funny shit you're all a bunch of cunt faces.You either like the music or you don't simple as that. it doesn't matter what label they're signed on to as long as theyre making music. and yet you sit there and call them sell outs if you think about it every band is a sell out because they sell cd's and make shirts and shit FUCK RANCID! I could see Rancid doing a fucking Pepsi commercial. Drink Pepsi. MMMM....Pepsi. Sooo goood. Don't think, just drink Pepsi...Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't think, Don't..... "They didn't need to sign onto a record label, neither did The Ramones, The Talking Heads, Blondie, Sex Pistols, none of them. They could've all gotten their music across without being on an independant. Thousands of others band did it. It's called "DIY". Most punk bands in the late 70's, and 80's weren't on anything major. Social Distortion? Bad Brains? Bad Religion? Yeah, the list goes on and on." I'm happy Warner distributed this, because I can find it in Korea. Try asking at any Seoul record shop for the new Larry Arms, it's a fucking disgrace I hate Rancid . . . and Pennywise One more thing about the "punk elitists". First, I doubt you'll still be a punk fan when you're 38 like Tim. Second, if you're such a purist, FORM YOUR OWN BAND and then you'll have some room to talk. Struggle for years, travel in a drafty van thru snowdrifts, persevere through critical and commercial indifference, and then tell us you give a hoot about "sellouts" and who is friends with whom and what label a band is on. And what about all the bands that have been helped by Hellcat/Epitaph? What about Hellcat being the last refuge for a legend like Joe Strummer? What about all you elitists just shutting up and accepting "different strokes for different folks?" You'll be in your suburban home, voting Republican, driving SUV's and having no heart left just like all the bandwagon jumpers of the early 90's. The rest of us, we'll still be listening to and being punk in our hearts. to the guy under me: i would like to agree, but it just can never happen. Why can't all musical genres be consolidated into one genre just called "music"? Why do we have to deal with these elitist punks who care so much about what label a band is on? I could give a rat's ass as to what label this album is on, it still rocks. I personally don't like Good Charlotte myself, but they're doing their thing, and obviously enjoying it, so chill. I don't understand why some people feel like each person has to fall into a specific genre, like "punk" or "emo". Just like whatever you want, who cares? To the Guy beneath me: A Fucking Stab In Back, they sell out in worst way- not being hnest about wih their fucking fans. Instead they fucking put fucking kelly osbourne that fat bitch and that queer benji from the NOT punk in the slightist Good Harlot. You Fucking whore for Hot Topic. Oi! Rancid will burn in hell. There a band on the way out despreately trying to grab poser fans from good charlot and kelly and as much money before they self destruct and i hope they do. There almbum was medocore at worst and at best inconsistant. Stop bitching about your wife and write songs that fucking matter. PUNK IS DEAD I have very mixed feelings about this cd. When I bought it, I listened to it once, then didn't listen to it for about 2 or 3 weeks. Then I really got into this album and I listen to it almost everyday. I don't know if I'm in the "greatness period" an earlier commenter made, but whatever, I'm enjoying it. My only two concerns are, for one, they seem stylisticlly all over the place here, maybe trying to recapture the magic of "Life Won't Wait", or "AOCTW", but then again, they do sound damn good doing it. My only real complaint is how Matt Freeman seems to be buried at the bottom of the mix, sometimes coming through as just a hum in the background. Otherwise, one of my favorite albums of the year so far. um...RANCID didnt sell out, they havent even signed to WARNER. All WARNER does ( i think;im pretty sure) is have SOME distibution rights and they pay for music videos (on MTV its says Hellcat/Warner Bros. on the label part of the introduction of the song) LOOK ON THE FUCKING CD CASE, JACKET or CD ITSLEF!!! NO FUCING MENTION OF WARNER AT ALL! its still on hellcat! i agree, good album not enough lars. There's not enough Lars on this though. Rancid has made a name for themselves by having one-two punch vocals with Lars and Tim. Otherside is the only song that took advantage of having two lead vocalists and it's one of the best if not the best song on the album. Matt Freeman doing vocals on atleast one song would've been nice too. First, Tim Armstrong has always been influenced by hip hop. You can tell when he was in Op Ivy - his vocals and his image. He always did some rapping instead of singing in everyone of his albums. He was raised in a gangster lifestyle and grew up with black kids. He is original and The Transplants are one hell of a band. Yes they did sign to a major and because of that more people know about them. All my friends that knew nothing about Rancid before now have seen their video and do enjoy them. That was the whole reason... MORE EXPOSURE. THey are friends with Benji and Kelly and they have always been true to not giving a fuck about what people think about them or their friends. THey don't give a shit what you "elitist punks" care. RANCID IS BACK AND THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST ALBUMS IN RECENT YEARS. I own anyone of you teenage morons who think they know something. Selling Out is just bullshit. "i havent listened to this one yet, but i want to make a comment on the whole 'warner' issue. I remember 2 years back at the warped tour, right before they broke into 'radio', lars went into this whole schpiel about how the 'major label bands' arent keeping it real and such, and that they could still be good on an indie label. Now, after this busting on the major label bands, they go and sign to warner. Go figure." i havent listened to this one yet, but i want to make a comment on the whole 'warner' issue. I remember 2 years back at the warped tour, right before they broke into 'radio', lars went into this whole schpiel about how the 'major label bands' arent keeping it real and such, and that they could still be good on an indie label. Now, after this busting on the major label bands, they go and sign to warner. Go figure. What the fuck is everyone freaking out about Rancid selling out for? so they are on mtv so fuckin what! I've been listening to rancid for nine years and i remember seeing not only Salvation on MTV but Timebomb and Ruby Soho as well. Yeah the new acquaintences are troubling, but the music is the same and that, you fake ass fans should realize, is all that matters. Finally got a copy, this is a rad record. It's all around the map, not mono-snarl like Rancid 5, or all loopy like "Life Won't Wait". I dig it! I like this album. It is probably my fave rancid album too. I dont care what all you say but "fall back down" is the best song on the cd. It's just a fun song and thats what i like about rancid. oh man .. don't you people have lives? shouldn't you be outside doing something cool? really .. kelly osbourne, the transplants, good charlotte, indie labels, selling out, radio play, influences, this album sucks/rules .. are you serious? my god, this is like a sewing circle. here's an idea: go outside and do something .. if you like the album, go tell someone about it, listen to it loudly in the car, go to the show .. if you don't like it, don't listen to it. oh, for fuck's sake...if i had a nickel for every time i've heard someone call a band that reaches a certain level of popularity "sellouts", i'd have a shitload of nickels. stop whining. it's fucking music- you either like it or you don't. basing your feelings about music on the personal lives of the band itself if just plain dumb. You know what's tiresome? "Their first album was their best". Get a new line, Jack. Half the time, it's wrong, anyway. I'm trying to find a way to get that fat asshole, Rob Whoever to be muted on the 3rd track while the music in the background continues so that I don't have to skip the last 45 seconds of the track entirely . If you have any idea how to get this obnoxious fuck from being heard on an otherwise awesome record, please lemme know. "Folding Bills"?! What the fuck? This guys is a joke. 1. The Review- I thought this album was decent. As the original review said, Rancid haven't made any major musical changes with this album. They have a good mix of songs on here which seem to span their entire careers, although I do miss some of the harder, faster songs like ones off Rancid (2000). Good album, but it's nothing groundbreaking. "and out come the wolves" sucks, Once again, what does hanging around Kelly Osbourne have to do with the actual music? Yes, Rancid has gone downhill, explain the TRANSPLANTS. And you mean to tell me that they are friends with kelly osbourne? she is like 17, thats pathetic. you people are such morons. if a band evolves they are sell-outs, if they keep the same sound they are boring. Shit.... typos are punk rock. Yeah... yeah... that's the ticket. I'm not denying they are influential, I'm deny that they are the most influential punk band of all time, as was previously stated. Come on, that's just stupid. You gotta admit... this cd kinda sucked the first s/t was there best cd ever "3) Yes, they are on a major. But so were The Clash, The Ramones, The Sex Pistols and just about any other of your punk gods." Let's get a few things straight: And to the people who bitch about them getting air play: Someone explain to me how Rancid has "gone downhill"? "albums of the year: ...luckily for me, we have pennywise and hatebreed to look forward to. "isn't it better to not influence at all if you influence 'bad' music? just seems like you don't have a redeeming point." i cant think of one good album this year so far Any top albums of the year list has to include the Swingin' Utters. tha liars album came out in 2001, but it got rereleased by mute in 2002, so most lists included it on the 2002 list. oh yeah, and maybe the liars, and mars volta. Among my biggest disapointments is saves the day, alkaline trio, afi, and thrice. "1. Rise Against lets get a few things straight...and out cme the wolves will never be topped. most bands don't even come close to recording something so classic. that being said this is just a collection of more good songs from one of the best punk acts ever,even if harcore-old school-or "enlightened" punk fans don't like to admit it.i think rancid's biggers influence is and has always been rancid.they build on a sound they have already made and progressed.freemne is the best bassist i've ever heard in a punk band but he needs to stay on background vocals,sorry guys.and rancid and good charlotte shouldn't even be used in the same sentence. blah fucking blah isn't it better to not influence at all if you influence 'bad' music? just seems like you don't have a redeeming point. Hahaha, where did i say they influenced good stuff? Stop arguing! albums of the year albums of the year: this album is sick. i dont care what label they're on. shit, the suicide machines were on fucking hollywood, thats disney's label. Doesnt mean they influence anything good anyway... A lot of bands are influential... I never said anything about there credibility. I said many bands cite them as a influence. hence they are influential. That cant be denied. Just because they influence the portion of music you ignore doesnt mean they dont influence anyone. albums of the year honestly who cares if rancid has influences? most bands do. they're not trying to change the world or anything, they're just making music. they might not be the most original or influential of bands, but what does that matter? they're just making fun music for people who want to listen. just quit yer bitchin and accept the fact that they're on a major and they have a video on mtv and a good charlotte ass is in that video, just let it all be. listen if you like em, don't if you don't. "This album aint bad. And Rancid is VERY influential. Sorry to break the news BSD. Original or not, many people are inspired by them." "ahh, aobut me using the word niggers. i apologize to any1 that got offended, i was just quite pissed off, i dont have anything against most black people, im just annoyed, i understand that there was no need for that word. its just that they r everywhere where i live, they always beat the shit out of people (white people) for no reason. i know i cant blame all black people. they were all over the tv when i wrote that b4 so i just sorta was annoyed." Top 3 albums of the year: ahh, aobut me using the word niggers. i apologize to any1 that got offended, i was just quite pissed off, i dont have anything against most black people, im just annoyed, i understand that there was no need for that word. its just that they r everywhere where i live, they always beat the shit out of people (white people) for no reason. i know i cant blame all black people. they were all over the tv when i wrote that b4 so i just sorta was annoyed. just the fact that rancid is perhaps the single punk rock band out there that can cause such a debate, proves how great they are! "I thought it was bullshit at first. i just could not fucking believe it. so fuck them thay can stay on tv with all the other shitty fucked up sellout bands and even niggers too. thats just fucked up. goodbye to this band" FUCK RANCID! From way down the page, Also...don't underestimate their influence. I would agree they are up there as a major influnental punk band. They have reached so many people and because their songs walk that line of heavy and catchy they ensnare many more people then other bands out there. I loved this album and though I love Rancid and have been a fan for years (and Op Ivy before them), I by no means just pronounce everything they do as "good", just because they did it. Most influential punk band of all time? Haha. Good one. I don't know why... Rancid is in no way part of the real punk scene. If you want punk points for really unoriginal music consult the Unseen section of your local music store. the only way i would ever buy this album is if i needed the extra scene points. [copyright mitch clem] and out come the wolves got me into punk rock. lets go and the first self-titled record are just fucking rock albums... i used to ride around in my friends care chain smoking to that shit, thinking i was punk as fuck. UH OOOOOHHHHH!!! It's the Punk Police!!! I think Streetlight will be the best of the year, though Strike Anywhere and The Lawrence Arms are sure to be amazing. touche " and while we're on the subject of best album of the year. so far im thinking suicide" You know, the more time that passes, the better Operation Ivy sounds. good review. but dfinitely nothing to do with a b-sides compilation. the songs in here stand in their own right. rancid is consistently good band and prove this once again. as for originality, it's as original as lww was compared to ..aoctw (which basically featured a more pronounced ska influence). it's easy to dismiss this as a letdown compared to energy rancid V, but the variety of the material has a r&r twist and orientation which keeps it unified and solid as an independent body of work. there's enough of everything here to keep everybody happy. |
