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Bad Religion

The Empire Strikes First
2004
Epitaph

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Review by: Adam
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Published on June 9th 2004

As much as The Process Of Belief was celebrated as a comeback record, one was left wondering, after all the hype and excitement of its release had passed, where Bad Religion would go from there. After all, a killer return to form twenty years into a career is quite an accomplishment, but sustaining that energy is a more difficult task entirely. More than a few people I spoke with had assumed Process would turn out to be a fitting swan song at the end of an already prolific career.

While these dire predictions fizzled rather quickly, the question remained of what form was this new era of Bad Religion would take. It turns out that life made that decision for the band, and like so many of their peers they've begun to take a very activist approach to the policies of Bush administration. There's certainly something to be said about the ability of conservative US governments to light a fire under the collective ass of the punk scene.

Yet while some bands fighting this battle have fallen into a pattern of sloganeering, Bad Religion's years of skill and insight have allowed them to craft one of the most literate statements our scene has yet made. Even The Empire Strikes First's most forthright political songs seem to be written with longevity in mind. While the band references what we've all seen repeated on the evening news they do so in a way that won't date their work when all this has passed. The title track is a perfect example, with it's sarcastic look at preemptive strike policy: "We strike first and we're unrehearsed / Here we go again to stage the greatest show on heaven and earth / Come on! Get your moneys worth." However if the war's rekindled the band's fighting spirit, the agenda of the radical religious right in has brought it to a full burn. Bad Religion truly lives up to their name with "Live Again - The Fall Of Man," "God's Love" and "Atheist Peace" among others. Yet again these messages are delivered with the poise and wisdom other bands never approach. Greg Graffin's soul-searching lyricism is at the same time thoughtful and indignant.

This record stands testament to the greatness that is the Graffin / Gurewitz songwriting team. The duo has always been known for putting together huge, memorable melodic punk rock songs and this is no exception. The single "Los Angeles Is Burning" has the type of chorus you start singing to yourself without realizing. "All There Is" features one of the band's most accomplished arrangements in recent memory. Graffin sings "Contend upon a rail of pain for just a pail of rain" with a wonderfully pleasing harmony and one of those prefect pauses before the band explodes into the chorus. Drummer Brooks Wackerman continues to amaze, particularly in the raging "Sinister Rouge." The double bass drumming is new for the band, one of a few tricks they try out successfully on the record. "Beyond Electric Dreams" features some tasteful electronic work from Mr. Brett's co-conspirators in Error. Street poet Sage Francis guests on "Let Them Eat War" in what's a surprisingly well-integrated hip-hop contribution to a rock song. The track is highlight of the record, showcasing the interplay between the band's three guitarists and lyrically tackling the social impact of religion, poverty and war.

The bottom line is that Bad Religion sounds amazing here. Throughout their Atlantic years the criticism always lingered that their recorded output simply didn't live up the Suffer era in terms of energy and drive. While this doesn't stylistically return to that territory, it shows the band charging forward with their guns blazing and that puts to rest any nostalgic urge for them to retread on their past. Like Process before it, The Empire Strikes First shows Bad Religion on top of their game, neither dwelling on their early glories nor held back by their late 90s slump. This is every bit as exciting, rocking and relevant as one would hope.

Bad Religion - Sinister Rouge
Bad Religion - Let Them Eat War
The Empire Strikes First Micro-Site



People who liked this also liked:
Bad Religion - SufferThe Lawrence Arms - Oh! Calcutta!The Clash - London CallingNOFX - The DeclineBad Religion - The Process Of BeliefRancid - ... And Out Come The WolvesOperation Ivy - Operation IvyRise Against - Revolutions Per MinuteAgainst Me! - As The Eternal CowboyBad Religion - No Control



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    Posted by thomas7155 on 2007-11-19 19:24:46
    My Score:

    My first Punk rock album. Absolutely incredible. It still blows my mind. I like "Let them Eat War" and "Los Angeles Is Burning" best.

    Posted by MetalHeadMike on 2007-09-19 12:17:53
    My Score:

    They were at their best when The Process of Beleif was produced. I'm sorry to say it but This once glorious punk band has lost their touch after 20 some odd albums.

    R.I.P. Bad Religion

    Posted by wyzo on 2006-09-19 20:35:11
    My Score:

    brooks wackerman really adds a huge dose of energy to this record.

    good record, both this and POB would be pitch perfect except for the 2 or so songs on each record that are nothing but a repetitive vocal hook draped on a skeleton of a song. The last track on this one is a decent melody, but its simple to the point of why bothering to record it, or make that transition to something that is a full, living song when its basically the chorus over and over, and the chorus is a one trick pony.

    POB's track like this is "The Lie". A soaring pop hook, but again its in the form of a repetitive vocal hook that just loops over and over with very little to be said of a 'bridge' between cycles.

    Sometimes they pull off this juggling of longer, shorter songs, aggression then a pop track (See: Evangeline or The Quickening from this one), but those songs could have been replaced by the quite good b-sides and improved the records tremendously.

    Hoping the 3rd re-newed brett/greg record is the charm.

    -wyzo

    Posted by KungPowza on 2006-06-07 23:58:13
    My Score:

    The more I listen to the album, the more I love it. I was hooked from Sinister Rogue, but that's not the only great song on here.

    Posted by PuNkRoCkEr_TiL_DeAtH on 2006-04-30 00:55:15

    Wow....I hate you already.

    But see here, Mr. Fuckwit, you OWE Bad religion, and i say that assuming you like punk rock. Bad Religion resurrected(or at least re-energized) an entire genre with just one album. But the problem is that this particular album was released nearly 20 years ago, and I haven't been able to find it anywhere. I would KILL for that album. Of course, I am talking about 'Suffer'.

    'The Empire Strikes First' is to me a huge step forward for Bad Religion. An epic album, to say the least. An album that seems powerful enough to change the world. It certainly changed me.

    So next time you decide to criticize Bad Religion, don't. Its no't like you couldn't be any more stupid.

    By the way Adam, great review. It's nice to know someone out there thinks the same way I do.

    -Sam

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 3, 2006 at 9:39 AM (EDT)

    Bad Religion are crap, this is a perfect example of liking a band cuz u think u have to, they sound like your dad trying to sing punk rock, it sounds forced all the time and just doesnt sound like they mean it.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 at 6:52 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    great album

    Posted by TheWise on 2006-03-02 01:07:55

    Their is no better album ever made!
    I defy you to name a better album, cuz you can't.
    BR have several albums that are as good as this, but it doesn't get better. I saw them for the first time last November in Kitchener, Ontario, and it was worth every second of the wait.

    Posted by NotDead on 2006-02-16 17:48:09
    My Score:

    fuckin legends all there albums are superb quite possibly one of the greatest bands of recent times and still havent lost the edge after all these years!

    Posted by charmander on 2005-12-02 14:39:45

    Good to see that they're still making music. This record just doesn't have the same energy as the earlier stuff.

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, November 13, 2005 at 9:17 PM (EST)
    My Score:

    They suck there last good album was 80-85.

    Posted by tonisk8boarding on 2005-11-07 19:12:12
    My Score:

    very very very good!!!!!!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 9, 2005 at 6:55 PM (EDT)

    People who call this band formulaic have no idea what they are talking about. Every single album has a different feel to it and you can tell easily, that is of course unless you are already biased and refuse to listen any closer. Your fucking ears must be broken.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, August 18, 2005 at 7:57 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    It's a good album. But far from the best BR ever put out. There are a lot of ups and downs on this one.

    The first 4 songs are damn catchy. Great lyrics as always with BR, speedy drums, great oozin ah's and choruses. Great songs.

    "Los Angeles is burning" is very catchy, Gregs voice sounds really good on this one. It's not a fast song, but it sure sounds good.

    "Let them eat war" some rapper raps in this one, at first i thought it sucked really hard. I hate rap, but its not innoying in this song, it kinda fits in. Otherwise it's a really good drive in the song and it's lyrics are very true.

    But then it starts to fall down. You can say that the A-side on it, (if it was an LP) is amazing.
    But then when you come to the B-side it just feels like something's missing. A few good songs ("Quickening" and "The fall of man") , and a few not so good.

    "To another abyss" I mean it's a good song, but it feels like it never stops. It just goes on for too long.

    "Empire strikes first" is just too sleepy, I don't like this one.

    "Beyond electric dreams" is good for 2 minutes that I just goes on and on with some shit, don't know what the hell that's about.

    "Boot stamping on..." is really slow rock song, sometimes I like, sometimes I don't. Depends on which mood you're in.

    I saw BR in Stockholm a few days ago and I will say that they're still rocking very hard. And it inspired me to write a little bit about this album.

    This album is worth buying, i bought the day it came out and I'm not disapointed. Some fast songs, some slower songs, some great choruses, some great backing vocals and ofcourse great lyrics and vocals by Greg.

    Posted by vivid on 2005-08-09 04:51:02
    My Score:

    their best album, beyond electric dreams is amazing

    Posted by chelle on 2005-05-06 12:45:21
    My Score:

    this band is awesome i give them a 10...

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 at 12:13 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    this has got to be one of the worst bad religion albums i really didnt like this one
    to me its a little to emoish
    i loved almost all of their other albums but not this one...

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 30, 2004 at 1:07 AM (EST)
    My Score:

    I have never heard bad religion before. but i bought the album cause all my friends said it rocked. and i have to agre with them.
    this band plays so fast with perfect riffs and a perfect drum parts. greg has this great tough voice that hipnotizes.
    so as a first time BR listener, i have to say i have found a band that has all the stuff im lookin for.
    P.S.---and gods love is amazing

    Posted by Tina on 2004-11-17 16:38:15
    My Score:

    I thought this was one of the better albums of Bad Religion's. I enjoy it very much.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 9, 2004 at 6:15 PM (EST)
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    Well, what can I say? Bad Religion was a very good band and have relesed one good album after another. When The Gray Race went out - despite many great songs it had - it was flawed (maybe in relation to Brets exodus) by the first signs of a change... and a negative change in my opinnion. The music started to get calmer and slower, and what's most important - that music didn't really sound good. Their lowest point was "The New America" album. Anyone who compared "1000 Memories" song with... shall we say: "Operation Rescue" (of "Against the Grain") for instance should get the picture. So when I thought that they couldn't get much worse than that, I was actually right, because "The Process of Belie"f was a big suprise for me. Listening to the fast-paced "Supersonic" momentarily reminded me everything I loved about Bad Religion. If I would to compare The Process of Belief with any other BR album I would definatly compare it with The Gray Race. Because it still had some of those not-too-good songs (sort of a heritage of The New America), but there were a DEFINITE signs of a somewhat "back to the roots" aim.
    As for The Empire Strikes First? I was very enthusiastic about this one. Especialy because it was going to verify which way BR really wants to go (Oh, yeah - and I never worried about the lyrics. I knew that one thing Bad Religion can't screw up are the lyrics). Sadly this (The Empire Strikes First album) seems more like a step in the direction of "The New America" than "Stranger than Fiction" or "Against the Grain". It was a big suprise for me since "The Process of Believe" actually implied a back-to-the-roots change. There are still a couple of good songs on this one - like "Let Them Eat War" or "God's Love", but most of them (againly) don't have the energy (or melody) that the songs of far older albums did. So I think that's so much for renual (or "reoldal" actually). Another interesting matter are the lyrics on this album. They have truly gone very political and very straight - something I never expirienced before on their albums. Many people say that they have always been a political band - maybe so, but I've never seen it expressed so clearly in their lyrics... 'till now that is. Whether this is good or bad, I don't know. I suppose they're just expressing what they feel and think, so there's no reason for that to be wrong (I just don't understand why they haven't done it before then). What really got me firstly confused, then amazed (or maybe the other way around) was a part of an interview I read on badreligion.com about Bad Religion persuading fans to vote against George Bush. This one really made (and still makes) me wonder. Because it somehow totally doesn't fit to the image of the band I had all along.
    As for the album? I noticed BR fans are generally distinguished into two categories. One (like me) who prefer the older records, and the other who think the new ones are just as good. Therefore if you like records like "No Substance" and "The New America" you should like this album as well. If you think that the above was the ones of their worst, or at least not too good I advise you to pass... on this one, and buy some of their older albums; because these guys really deserve it for the great work they've done for so many years and (hopefully) the great work they are about to make in the future.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 23, 2004 at 12:45 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Poetry in Motion!

    Posted by buttbadgeronfire on 2004-09-03 13:11:55
    My Score:

    Great album. Can't wait till they come to Norfolk with Rise Against. My favorites ongs on this are Atheist Peace, All There Is, Los Angelos is Burning, and Live Again.

    *buttbadger*

    Posted by bigugly on 2004-08-12 15:14:17
    My Score:

    I am happy to say that this is the first Bad Religion recording since "Against the Grain" that I've been able to, not only sit all the way through, but actually enjoy!

    It's not a complete return to form of the "Golden Years" of Suffer, No Control, et al, but this cd lacks most of the sappiness and cliche that had drove me away from the fold.

    Posted by klasticono on 2004-07-19 12:53:35
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    That was kind of Brett, since it seems he's the one with an ear for a hit song. I usually like Greg's songs better, but those are a lot less likely to end up on radio playlists (the only single I can think of written by Graffin alone -- not including the time Brett was out of the band, of course -- is "Struck a Nerve").

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, July 17, 2004 at 2:15 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    klasticono: They wrote the songs seperately. "Officially" it says they co-wrote, so that each gets equal pay. (Songwriters gets paid each time their songs are played on the radio, tv.)

    Posted by klasticono on 2004-07-14 19:03:04
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    I am a musician, and rather than that making me view Bad Religion more negatively, it makes me more in awe of them. Listening to a band like BR is frustrating, because it makes you think, "Why am I even trying? No matter how hard I try, how could I ever create something that could stand up to 'Suffer' or 'Generator'?"

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, July 13, 2004 at 10:18 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Ok so yeah, this album sounds alot like their other ones. It incorporates mixtures of their older sound with their newer sound and some of the riffs sound like some of their other songs. Sure, theyve had the same messages forever and the lyrics, while pretty good, are more of the same themes as their old ones, but so are Hitchcock's films. The truth is though that Bad Religion are still good at what they do. They are still tight and know how to write songs. The harmonies and melodies here are great. I personally think that the last album was a little boring and sappy, "She was barely a teen just a part of the scene"? Come on. This albums sounds a lot better than that one too. My question is, for all of you that think this albums sucks or sounds the same, WHATS GOOD? What bands do you like that don't sound the same?

    Maybe I would be more critical of BR or punk in general if i was a musician. Being a film student/maker I am very critical of movies, alot more critical than alot of other people. The way we view films is completely different though, at least in the theater. You sit and watch a bright screen in a room full of darkness. You are forced to pay more attention to every little detail and its easier to get bored. I for one listen to music mostly in the car. So of course I can't pay EXCRUCIATING attention to every little wave of sound emamating from my stereo.

    ~Jason Argonaut

    Posted by klasticono on 2004-07-09 20:47:45
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    OK, I know I just commented on this album within the last hour, but then I read everyone else's comments.... Who the hell are these people saying that The Empire Strikes First is recycled? I don't think the band's sound has changed as much since it did between Back to the Known and Suffer.... There's Brooks' insane drumming, which really stands out on this album (moreso than on the last one, probably, because he's been in the band longer and I imagine he was more involved in the creative process this time around) and the repeated use of digital effects on the vocals and music, there's a rap cameo (which is surprisingly good lyrically and fits well with the song) and Bad Religion's best harmonies and melodies ever. Also, the three-guitar lineup comes through from time to time (again, you probably notice that more on TESF than on TPOB because it is this lineup's second effort).

    While all of the classic BR elements are still in place, this record introduced several new wrinkles that give it a distinct sound. Granted, you'll be reminded of previous efforts at times (usually for the worse rather than the better). For example, my two least favorite tracks, "LA is Burning" and "To Another Abyss" remind me of The New America, hands down the worst BR album ever released. I also hear a lot of The Process of Belief in this, but it shouldn't come as a surprise that the band sounds most similar to its past two releases.

    The music doesn't sound it did when the band was at its peak (No Control, Suffer), save for the very basics. And when you invent a sound as great as Bad Religion did back then, you shouldn't throw it all away!

    P.S. -- In response to Janelle's post a little way's down, I never understood how anyone could rate "How Could Hell" as BR's best. It was great for what it was, a first album from some kids with a lot of potential but hardly any polish. Musically, it wasn't really anything new or impressive (though not bad hardcore) and lyrically, the guys had a lot of room to grow.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 9, 2004 at 8:19 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Yeah. I hated this album when I first listened to it also... and talked a fair amount of shit about it (oops). But then I saw it on sale and picked it up and it's really aged well. It seems like the lyrics are more musical - without giving up that special Bad Religion sound. The music is also a lot "deeper" than on some of their past releases with some really great arrangements.

    I'm not sure that it beats out 'No Control' as my favorite, but I definitely was wrong about this album being "just another" Bad Relgion album.

    Posted by klasticono on 2004-07-09 20:04:06
    My Score:

    Bad Religion's pretty much always been my favorite band, but when I first heard this album (a couple of months before the release date, thanks to Soulseek), I was disappointed, mostly because of the digital production and some of what I perceived as lyricism that was too blatant and cliche (the title track for example) to come from minds like Greg's or Brett's.

    But after repeated listening, I got hooked on the catchiness of the album (there isn't a single track that doesn't beg for you to sing along with it, and songs like "All There Is", "Beyond Electric Dreams" and "Live Again" feature some of BR's best choruses ever). And the more I listen to the record, the more I realize how insightful and beautifully poetic it is. While a few stray lines gave me a bad first impression (again, mostly in the title track), I think the album boasts Bad Religion's best overall writing since Generator. Throughout the album, the group addresses the current political issues and the USA's wars with intelligence very few other bands could even attempt (and often, you wouldn't even recognize this until looking deeper into several of the songs that aren't as straightforward as the title track or Let Them Eat War). I also like the literary references sprinkled throughout, nice touch.

    What I find really interesting about the album is that it is credited as being written by Brett and Greg (with co-writers on a few tracks) but Gurewitz and Graffin aren't given any individual credit on specific tracks like they usually are. Does anyone know if they actually sat down and wrote the album together or if there are about half a dozen by each of them with maybe a collaberation here or there? Some of BR's best songs have been credited to them as a team (American Jesus, Suffer, etc.), but it seems like they only co-write one or two songs per album.

    Best tracks: Beyond Electric Dreams, Sinister Rouge, All There Is, Live Again

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 9, 2004 at 12:24 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    I want Greg to eat my cock - this cd is great - I take it in the ass to this cd,

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, July 9, 2004 at 6:28 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    I didn't think that this record would be so good. respect.

    Posted by chrisafi on 2004-07-02 13:26:51
    My Score:

    AGAIN Bad Religion kick.
    And every song screaming messages to the masses

    "Let them eat war - That's how to ration the poor"

    Classic BR.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, July 1, 2004 at 1:36 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    "But even ten million souls marching in February couldn't stop the worst"

    Brilliant.

    That line and the whole album.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 at 6:22 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Truly the most influential band ever, Bad Religion does it again with this one. They set my soul afire.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 24, 2004 at 8:57 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    I own every single Bad Religion Album , and yes this album is the kind of thing I have come ot expect. and thats great!
    _RevChris

    Posted by sprainedsoul on 2004-06-21 11:02:57
    My Score:

    With BR, you know what you're going to get. Most of the 90s were such a wash for this band, it's great to see them have a return to form. "Los Angeles Is Burning" is one of the strongest tracks they've recorded in years. Warped is going to be a great warmup for them, but I'm looking forward to seeing BR tour properly ...

    Posted by xLetThemEatWarx on 2004-06-18 14:53:36
    My Score:

    i don't know why some BR fans bitch about all their cds sounding too similar...well when they went out and tried to make a different sounding cd with slower tones and pianos in "Into The Unknown" the fans complained that they didn't like it! make up your fucking minds...It's like damned if you do damned if you don't...BR Great cd but i still think POB and RFH still are a little better...

    P.S. THERE WILL NEVER BE A BAND LIKE THIS IN THE HISTORY OF PUNK, NO WAY NO HOW, STOP BITCHING AND ENJOY THE MUSIC and if you don't like the music don't buy the cd..(so called punks, yea right)

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 18, 2004 at 12:09 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    mmm, Im a very fan of this band , but i think they are just old, i dont think the music on this album will surprise you, If you are a very fan , buy it but...
    i dont know it just sounds like so produced and so digital for a band like bad religion...

    Posted by bemused on 2004-06-15 22:22:40
    My Score:

    This album Rocks!!

    I like when Graffin uses nofx's "This is not a test of the emergency broadcast system" and op ivy's "so take warning".
    Let them Eat War is such a great song. Props for Brook's druming on that one

    -chris-

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 7:02 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    People who don't like this album need help as soon as they can get it. This is a superb record, although the title track sounds like "21st Century Digital Boy" and the last song reminded me of "Sorrow" - still it's brilliant, better than Process and their best album since Recipe For Hate (underrated)

    Joe

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 at 11:38 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Great cd,

    I love how Graffin sings "How could hell be anyworse?" in "Los Angeles is Burning", Sage Francis at the end of "Let Them Eat War" is awesome, I like the way he sings the word is in "All There Is" and "Boot Stamping On A Human Face Forever" is a great song.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 at 9:32 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Great album.

    I think the people who complain about the formula and such in BR's music are missing the point. BR has always been more about the message rather than the actual music. So, with the music being a tad bit repetitive doesn't bother me because I know the concentration is more on the message rather than the music.

    My only complaint about this album are the lyrics. At times, they can be pretty lame, but, at the same time, Brett can also be poetic. So, I suppose it all balances out.

    Posted by CallingLondon on 2004-06-14 20:31:03
    My Score:

    album rocks. end of story.

    Posted by colin on 2004-06-14 16:13:25
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    i'm trying to figure out where any visitor of punknews.org would get off trying to give this a low score.

    this album is ridiculously good. probably will be up there with green day and circle takes the square with records of the year.

    hell, if green day's new disc is half as good as this i'll be happy.

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 at 10:29 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    This record's okay but definately not as great as NC,ATG,G,RFH,STF,TGR.
    TPOB was a really good comeback but maybe it's time for me as an old fan to move on.
    Rock on!

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 at 4:26 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    This album is alright. I still think POB was better though. there are some tracks which kind of lose me 20 seconds in. However, songs like Sinister Rouge keep you really happy

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 at 12:45 AM (EDT)
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    There is no message in this band except buy our record it's fast again,we're back on Epitaph,Brett's back,download our video,call KROQ and remember never sell out to the majors.
    bla,bla.........

    Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 14, 2004 at 12:45 AM (EDT)
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    There is no message in this band except buy our record it's fast again,we're back on Epitaph,Brett's back,download our video,call KROQ and remember never sell out to the majors.
    bla,bla.........

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 11:10 PM (EDT)
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    "And just what is Bad Religions message?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"

    How do you figure?

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 4:00 PM (EDT)
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    And just what is Bad Religions message?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Posted by mikeinflames on 2004-06-13 14:47:30
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    i can agree that unlike most bands out there today Bad Religion do and always have and a very strong and positive message in thier music (at least lyrically)
    but as for the actual music ... pretty much every album sounds the same
    Mr. Graffin really sound put out a spoken word album or something

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 1:03 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    This is puuuuuure punk biiitch!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 2:51 AM (EDT)
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    I'm happy I was able to get a promo copy, after a few listens I find Empire to be quite boring compared to Process Of Belief.

    It's better to burn out then fade away.

    Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, June 13, 2004 at 2:21 AM (EDT)
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    What sound are you talking about dude?

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 11:51 PM (EDT)
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    While other bands, most notably acts like Anti-Flag, recycle ideas using catchy hooks and cliched catch phrases, one can defend them by asserting that at least they are saying what needs to be said and what the mainstream would never dare to say. Bad Religion, on the other hand, transcends the likes of such lesser-thans by writing music that ranges from righteously indignant to inspiring in its dissent. Graffin writes with anger and disbelief yet few have ever been more poetic or eloquent. At the same time, the band has found the sound they've been searching for for about a decade. Stellar release and it couldn't have come at a more important time.

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 11:26 PM (EDT)
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    www.stereokiller.com/bands/JAUA

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 11:26 PM (EDT)
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    OMGZ!! JAUA JAUA JAUA THEY RULKE I LOVE JAUA.

    everyone seriously. this band is the FOLK equivilent to BAD RELIGION!

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 11:22 PM (EDT)
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    www.stereokiller.com/bands/JAUA

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 11:21 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    www.stereokiller.com/bands/JAUA

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 8:22 PM (EDT)
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    Very simple this just plain sucks!

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 8:01 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    Very simple this just plain sucks!

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 5:57 PM (EDT)
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    how can anyone dislike this cd?

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 3:50 PM (EDT)
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    Are BR now going metal ?
    Oh great that's the right step guys !
    I'll pass on this one


    METAL?!?! Man, you must have your genres all messed up.

    Posted by Haggard on 2004-06-12 13:48:06
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    "Are BR now going metal ?
    Oh great that's the right step guys !
    I'll pass on this one"

    You're an imbecile.

    -Justin

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 12:48 PM (EDT)
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    "I'm still looking for shit by Siege and Deep Wound."

    SIEGE IS GOOD! one o the two man guys lemme hear it...
    I was supposed to give him U.D.O. 'Nailed to Metal' (which i so kindly did..."Balls to the Wall"!) for it, but he forgot to give it to me before tour... bah
    -Janelle

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 11:29 AM (EDT)
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    Are BR now going metal ?
    Oh great that's the right step guys !
    I'll pass on this one

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 2:56 AM (EDT)
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    I thought you all said this record was good?
    I just don't get this band anymore.....

    Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 12, 2004 at 1:20 AM (EDT)
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    Great review and great album. "Let The Eat War" is probably my fav song so far.

    And what adam says is true. The mew Tiger Army album is hot stuff. The best album Hellcat's gonna release this year (besides the Hepcat re-relase, but it doesn't count).

    Ramo

    Posted by BSD on 2004-06-11 23:05:57
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    I'm still looking for shit by Siege and Deep Wound.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 11:00 PM (EDT)
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    BSD is the most diabolical hater on this entire site. He is bar none the biggest hater on Earth. Dare I say, bar none the biggest hater in this nebulus.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 9:52 PM (EDT)
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    I love how BSD can defend himself almost single handedly against an entire board full of haters.

    Speaking of formulas, anybody familiar with Yacopsae? German turbo-thrash, possibly one of the hardest bands I have ever heard. Oh yeah, they put out an awesome pop-punk album in 2003 just to fuck with people. Love that shit.

    -Ken

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 9:45 PM (EDT)
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    Jesus Christ this album blows!!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 7:15 PM (EDT)
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    Bad Religion is not for everyone but they are certainly awesome and much different than ANY band I've ever heard. Screw the shit talkers. You don't like em? Then do better or shut it. This album rocks.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 5:24 PM (EDT)
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    "The actual artwork on the new Atreyu album is a lot worse than the banner ad."

    Yeah, I know. I just hate seeing it up there too.

    Posted by Droo on 2004-06-11 16:50:41
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    as far as the rating for this album goes - good/bad who gives a shit.

    Posted by Droo on 2004-06-11 16:48:33
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    Please seperate punk and rock, folx. punk is a mindset; music, fashion, whatever will follow.

    Punk is dead - only if we make it so.

    Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-06-11 16:13:56
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    The actual artwork on the new Atreyu album is a lot worse than the banner ad.

    Posted by BSD on 2004-06-11 15:35:44
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    How disgusting is the idea behind Boston Beatdown?

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 12:29 PM (EDT)
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    how disgusting is the artwork for atreyu's new one? hate it. i really do wish the banner at the top of the site would stop on that one.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 12:28 PM (EDT)
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    I love double bass.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 11:51 AM (EDT)
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    mamaus :)

    Posted by Jesse on 2004-06-11 11:45:38
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    I've never liked Bad Religion. It's basic punk with thick vocal harmonies. It's never sounded different. And the kids love it. Who knew?

    It's funny. As much as you dislike me and my reviewing, BSD, we really share the same opinions about a lot of music.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 10:57 AM (EDT)
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    To the dude below "I HATE METAL and I HATE DOUBLE BASSDRUM"!!!!
    I also hate this record FUCK YOU!!!

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 10:13 AM (EDT)
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    I kinda tend to agree with some of the stuff the dude below with the long parapgraphs said even though his English sound Quebecois ;) (but thats ok I am too). Bad Religion has been very important and influential to the seen whether you like them or not. Greg an dBrett have alot of things to say and in my opionion they say them very well and most of the songs make you stop and think. 9/10 for the album.

    Posted by gladimnotemo on 2004-06-11 09:49:30
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    so...I'm supposed to re-rate this album, and Bad Religion in general, because that guy wrote 5 paragraphs?

    I thought we already established that comments aren't going to change anybodys' minds. To me, after reading 40 pages of comments.....they still sound the same! *gasp*

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 9:09 AM (EDT)
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    It sucks.

    Posted by BSD on 2004-06-11 03:51:19
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    I used to eat Peanut Butter and Jelly sandwiches every day but I got sick of them quickly.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 3:44 AM (EDT)
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    To bad I will make a long post, that will stop most of the people who SHOULD read this coment to actually read it but hell, I had to say something...

    It's sort of sad to see how evry people who doesn't like either the album or the band never develop their point, and instead say "It sucks, end of the case." or "That should have stoped making music a long time ago". Even if I know it's kinda useless to do this, as people I write this coment for will surelly not read it, but I just feal I have to answer some coment I unfortunatly read on this page.

    First of all, evryone who doesnt like BR keep saying over and over that each of their album sound exactelly the same. Sure, they do have a structure of slow-med-fast tempo they like to keep, whats wrong with that? BR sounds like BR, and band X sound like band X. If i'm listening to BR, I want it to sound like BR, not something else. If I wanted to listen to something else, I'd change CD, and listen to something else. But I just can't see how 2 song of the same kind of tempo (I.E. another abyss/epiphany -slow, Live again/In so many ways -med, supersonic/social suicide -fast) can sounds exactelly alike, someone will have to explain me this... Of course there are some song with that look alike beatwise (Can't stop it/Sinister rouge for exemple), but after 13 albums and countless side songs, who can blame them? And beside, having 2 song looking alike doesn't make one of them any worse, if a great song look like another great song, how does this make them bad?

    Another thing I NEED to say, is to reply to the one who said that sinister rouge's lyric are stupid... Does that person have ANY idea what this song talks about? I supose not...

    And I must say, how could a band sing the same thing for 20 years and still be one of the greatest and most popular punk rock band of all? That couldn't happen, and for being a really hold BR fan, I can say that "How could hell" doesnt sound at all like "Suffer", witch doesnt sound at all like "Generator", and "The grey Race" have nothing in common with "Process of Belief". If someone say it does, well that person probably never listened to those record more than 3 or 4 times.

    On the political side, BR was never a political band to start with, so when people are talking about Greg being a radical left or trying to force people to vote democrat, these people have obviously no idea what they are talking about. Greg never stated his political view in his songs, all he does is saying where and what are the troubles and an idea on how thing should be for a better world to us all. And never does he say to vote democrat, all he's saying is to vote Bush out of the office wich you all agree with me, is something that must be done.

    Also, there's a guy somewhere who said Greg has never done anything more than stating the obvious... First of all, thats what every lyrics of every song that has been made is all about. The differance lies in the way to say it, the meaning hidden behind the words. But honestly, can someone who speaks of "Entropy" and truth being "Stranger then fiction" really speaks only of obvious things? I don't think so. And to those saying that BR never give any valid answer to those problems, I say this: Of course they don't, if they had, you would be bitching about how they try to lead and point direction to people while they claim in many of their songs that this is what they fight against (no direction, against the grain ect.)

    A litle personal note on BR. Greg studies and his natural talent to say what he want to gave him insight and songwriting ability that few could dream of ever acheiving. The subjects he develop on are wide and expressed diferently every time. Poeple should really stop and sit to read the lyrics and think about their meaning. Maybe if we all did and think a bit for a change the world would indeed be a better place. Greg never expected to change the world with a song, only the people living in it by making them think and wonder instead of talking shit about everyone and feeding on whatever society/religion tells us to eat. Thats my 2 cents.

    All right, enough answering to the stupids comments, time for mine. This album is not their best, but it's good. 8/10. The double bassdrum sounds great, the alternate tempo from song to song is still as good and melodically wonderfull for the ears. The lyrics aren't their best, although there's some really nice (live again for exemple) one in there. But I'll have to think more about them, sometimes when I'm really in it I still discover things on song as hold as "Entropy" or "I want something more" that I had never noticed before. A really great feeling I must say...

    Anyway, I had a chcolate sunday yeaterday, and it was really great. I will make myself another one tomorow, exactelly the same and I can bet you it will taste as good as the first one. And I will never get tired of eating them. You can't see where i'm going with my sunday story? Then maybe you need to learn how to think some more...

    PS: People should really learn to give their opinion instead of trying to state facts that doesnt make sence or have no valid point (like saying "I don't like it because..." instead of "It sucks, final answer.").

    Posted by TahoeJeff on 2004-06-11 01:25:24
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    minor threat...nice

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 12:45 AM (EDT)
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    I was once just like you
    But I've got better things to do
    Like sit around and fuck my head
    Hang out with the living dead
    In a few years, I may just use a crutch

    I'm not straight edge

    Posted by notfeelingcreative on 2004-06-11 00:23:08
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    I love recipe for hate, but I think calling "New America" mediocre is giving it way too much credit!

    Posted by BSD on 2004-06-11 00:21:42
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    On a second thought, I think I'm going to sell all of my oldschool hardcore 7 inches and albums and just go Saddle Creek.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 12:13 AM (EDT)
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    I think it's really funny that so-called Bad Religion fans call this album "formulaic". The Empire Strikes First is completely different sounding than any of their other albums. Ever heard slow songs like these before? Not like this you haven't. I think it's amazing and even while some songs have a weak spot or two, that doesn't take away from the overall quality of the record. The experimental portions are a great addition. Yes, that includes the rap portion on Let Them Eat War. You want to talk about a mediocre album? Then talk about Recipe For Hate or The New America. This one rocks.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 12:10 AM (EDT)
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    Damn it, I keep having to sign back in!
    -notfeelingcreative

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 11, 2004 at 12:09 AM (EDT)
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    "The only ones complaining about Bad Religion are the fucking boring post-rock kids who jack off to the noise solos of (ugh) Sonic Youth and love (shudder) Cursive."

    I always wondered what, all the BR haters listened to, now that I know, iI'm proud to be a bad religion fan (although I do like a couple of sonic youth records).

    Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-06-11 00:01:23
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    "Ragtime fanatic"

    Two words I never thought I'd see together.

    Posted by BSD on 2004-06-10 23:31:05
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    I think I'm going to reinvent myself as an introverted ragtime fanatic.

    Posted by FortyMinutesWest on 2004-06-10 23:15:01
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    It wouldn't surprise me if you reinvented yourself again, BSD. You're like the Madonna of attention whoring internet elitists.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 10:20 PM (EDT)
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    Well it says a lot when I think such a comment could come from you.

    Posted by BSD on 2004-06-10 22:11:06
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    That comment wasn't by me... I bet someone's gettin' a pretty big laugh about now! But I'll just log in from now on!

    Posted by RondoMondo on 2004-06-10 22:09:56
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    Ba da da da da, I'm lovin' it.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 10:00 PM (EDT)
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    Why does everyone hate me?Im just a kid who likes emo
    -BSD

    I hate you because of attention seeking comments such as that.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 9:50 PM (EDT)
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    I hope this is the last record because let's face the facts here kiddies Punk rock and all bands(NOFX,Pennywise,Rancid,AFI,Warped Tours,etc,etc) are all overpayed and overbloated embarassments to the human race as we see it today.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 9:44 PM (EDT)
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    The only ones complaining about Bad Religion are the fucking boring post-rock kids who jack off to the noise solos of (ugh) Sonic Youth and love (shudder) Cursive.

    -BSD

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 9:20 PM (EDT)
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    "They're are only a few good punk bands left, and even they are starting to suck."

    Only if you buy exclusively from Epitaph/Hellcat/Fat!

    -BSD

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 8:59 PM (EDT)
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    "Anyways, yea, BR's lyrics are usually shit. People think because Graffin is almost upfront about things, he's some kind of genius. He states the obvious - Bush sucks, religion sucks (although his views on all religion are based on pricks like Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, etc.), the world sucks, blah blah blah. He's never offered valid answers to any problems. "

    Hate to break it to ya but if he knew the answers he wouldn't be singing in his band he would be acting on them. the point of his lyrics are to make people aware, so that hopefully someone can figure it out....the more minds the better chance of an answer. i'm gonna get this cd soon

    Posted by TahoeJeff on 2004-06-10 19:54:55
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    This is ridiculous..seriously. Everybody keeps saying BR sounds the same. How many bands out there constantly reinvent themselves with each new record? This formula works...Bad religions career can attest to this. These guys make good, quality music. Whether you like it or not these guys helped form punk rock into what it is today. In 20 years if all these ridiculous Screamo and pop punk bands are still around, and I seriously doubt that...I'm sure you will be there saying, this all sounds the same. Furthermore, I challenge anyone who says this sounds the same to create something better....

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 7:35 PM (EDT)
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    Bad Religion sucks. Case closed. Punk rock is dead. They're are only a few good punk bands left, and even they are starting to suck.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 7:26 PM (EDT)
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    Oh, to the guy who asks about the limited edition of the album, the DVD with it, just contains the first 20 minutes of footage of the "Along the Way" DVD..

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 7:13 PM (EDT)
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    If Bad Religion is saying the same things for two decades, it means the people out there doesn't get them. It's pretty ridicolous to complain to a group for being faithful to its sane and strong ideas. I also defy every single "so called" punk group to survive for two decades, having so motivated followers. Bad Religion may not now much about politics, but they know a lot about how life works. And that's not really common. They don't talk shit like most of the bands out there. It's simple.

    Anyway, straight to the review of this one album:
    I must say I expected something more from the new album. I expected more substance.. I'm a bit disappointed with some of Gurewitz's songs, especially with the title track, which is a mix of old BR and some other group's songs. The percussions in the intro remind me of Offspring's "Change the world", the rythm is the same as the one of "21st Century Digital Boy", and it seems the lyrics have been done with too much sufficience, especially if you read Gurewitz's old lyrics.
    About the production: I think it's too"clean".. they could do a better work.
    Here finish the bad thoughts about this album..
    Atheist Peace became one of my favourites.. This is the essence of Graffin songs. Fast, simple, direct.. A perfect Bad Religion song. God's love follows, with a justified anger against religious followers. Others of my favourites, are Social Suicide (best song by Gurewitz on this album), Sinister Rouge, then all the others.. I have no comment for the people who criticizes those 20 seconds of pseudo-hip hop in Let them eat war.....

    Now the conclusions: OK, this isn't the best BR album. Overall, I think they did an average job. They can do better, and I'm sure they will do a great follow up.. I had the feeling these guys know who they are, for the people who like them, and I felt a little of opportunism on this, especially by Gurewitz.. I hope it's not true.. but, hey, anyway, they are here to spread again their good messages, and this is what matters.
    Good job, BR.. I'll wait for the next album.. And there will be.. While tens of other groups keep breaking up!

    Posted by shindo on 2004-06-10 19:10:58
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    lieutenant: "Just a question though, as I have a record store promo copy, I am left without a DVD (I think the retail version comes with one?) -- What am I missing"

    My version has no DVD and it's not a promo. So I'm not really sure if one exists.

    anon: "one of the best reviews written on this site. good job. i thought he was too kind with the rating though."

    Thank you :). I'm a pretty big Bad Religion fan so I don't doubt the star rating may have been lower if someone else had done the review. Star ratings are dumb anyways.

    BSD: I love you man. Seriously.

    -adam

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 6:53 PM (EDT)
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    ****This makes no sense to me. There are a BILLION bands which sound exactly like the Ramones, but they always get bad reviews and tons of criticism - but when Bad Religion turns out yet another CD that sounds exactly the same people call it the "album of the year." ****

    this is one of the dumbest comments ever posted.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 6:23 PM (EDT)
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    really good album... that's all - im going to play it once more...and l.a is burning....

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 6:07 PM (EDT)
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    Can someone name a band that change their style on every new album? Cause i cant.... and i know many bands....

    Theres no place where ignorants cant express themselves, its sooooo sad..

    Posted by lieutenant on 2004-06-10 17:56:56
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    This is truly an incredible album for a Bad Religion fan, no less perfect for an evening stroll across the downtown scape and the street parklife in between.

    Just a question though, as I have a record store promo copy, I am left without a DVD (I think the retail version comes with one?) -- What am I missing?

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 5:56 PM (EDT)
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    Why does everyone hate me?Im just a kid who likes emo
    -BSD

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 5:39 PM (EDT)
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    seeing as i am now an official "new hybrid" punk, after taking the quiz, i am going to be punk and diss up these freakin bad religion people...THEY SUCK! HAHAHAHAHHA i am going against the grain, so i am punk right? hahahahahaha jjk

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 5:20 PM (EDT)
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    Sorry, I forgot to sign my name on the post below.

    Mr. Kenzington

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 5:20 PM (EDT)
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    The people who say "BR sucks, listen to Starbucks Music for the Plastic Generation like Cursive!" are oblivious to how DONE bands like Cursive are. It's been done before, they're just making it boring.

    -BSD

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 10, 2004 at 5:20 PM (EDT)
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