lets be brutally honest: this is obviously not "we are the romans" or much of the slightly earlier material for that matter. it is a great way to know where the band started, and this band paved the way for so many others (one of my faves) but like a life once lost's "joan the architect" it almost seems two shades shy of nu-metal, the only major factors setting it apart being the odd time signatures... and not being nu-metal. a must have for any real botch fan (the cover of rock lobster is ass shattering as well) but not for the first time caller.

No, that's no me. Let me dig around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7-l70sjX9o
...?

Ben:

....Whoaaaa....care to point me in the right direction?

more like bitch

if thats the case, they must steam and not smell, because christian's shit doesn't stink!

THREE POINTS!

norma jean are a pile of christian shit

Moneen is a Choke Rip-off.

So its wrong to assume what one group of people will do/like... but its okay to slam another with stereotypes?

kettle.... meet pot!

"Just like you don't give a shit about rap and chose to mention generic names like Jay-Z and Rapper's delight.
Ummm. So black people only like rap music? And white people only like punk and rock?
And if you wanna talk generic band names and titles, look at ANY fuckin old school hardcore or punk rock band ever. Youre a joke."

You are a dumbass. Don't go all Republican on me and take part of what I said and try to use it Against Me!

"Of course MOST black people are not going to give a shit about it. Just like you don't give a shit about rap and chose to mention generic names like Jay-Z and Rapper's delight."

Do you see that MOST in there. My whole point was that it was possible for people to like both. And I was confused as to why he mentioned it in the first place. It doesn't make sense to compare the two. By generic I meant that he only knew of mainstream rap and couldn't name anything on the rap level that was as undergound as Botch is. If Norma Jean fans don't even know who Botch is and they are part of the same genre, how the fuck are you gonna expect a bunch of rap kids to know who the fuck Botch is. Like I said. It doesn't make sense. You're just as dumb as this review is. Fuck off and go listen to Moneen.

Even though I rather liek them, Norma Jean started out as a huge BOTCH rip off. Not so much on the last 2 albums, but the first two (including the one when they went under the monicker Ludikriss) are BOTCH hacks.

Just like you don't give a shit about rap and chose to mention generic names like Jay-Z and Rapper's delight.
Ummm. So black people only like rap music? And white people only like punk and rock?
And if you wanna talk generic band names and titles, look at ANY fuckin old school hardcore or punk rock band ever. Youre a joke.

I actually performed under Superdude, so you can appreciate how serious it was. Not a very illustrious career, but there's some recorded verses and tv performances out there somewhere.

Posted by SilentStorms on 2006-11-29 09:18:22
My Score:

"I heard this band ripped off Norma Jean."

I hope you're joking.

This album is aight, but by far the worst of this bands illustrious career, as all recordings after their first few 7"s (american nervoso, we are the romans, and anthology of dead ends) are the best records I've ever heard. I do love the video for Saint Matthews on the older version of this, however. Does the rerelease have that video?

"I'm into hip hop big time. I actually was in a hip hop group until recently"

Superdude was in a hip hop group?

i learned something

Its ok to like rap albums on mainstream labels....but its not ok to like punk/hardcore albums on mainstream labels. The punk ones lose cred....while the rap albums dont.

one time i saw a guy get sodomized by a botch record.

I heard this band ripped off Norma Jean.

no no no!!!! fuck tthis shit!!! EVERYBODY should listen to that band GAZA! if botch never existed, GAZA would sound that much better. again, FUCK THIS.

GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZA GAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAG AZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZA
-just kiddinggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg

GAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAGAZAv!

great shit but dep and converge were around when they were

kelibguscua giant moth-robot...and beer.

My english is totally shitty, by the way.

-Ken

Speaking of total brutality, there is a new Yacopsae record is out, six weeks' distro has it. Better hurry, though.

-Ken

"this site gives out way too many 4-5 star reviews"

I agree with you, but this is one of those CDs that actually deserves it.
It's good to see some Botch on this website, as opposed to the next flavor of the week acoustic pop punk band appearing at the top over and over again.
And the reviewer is right in saying that most metal fans don't listen to any Botch. Heck, most metal fans are listening to abominable dreck like Slipknot and Lamb of God.

this site gives out way too many 4-5 star reviews

I for one have been to a jay-z concert and can name a number of botch songs...so there you go you can quit looking...douchefarmer.

American Nervosa I think is easily their best album...with the two greatest songs they ever wrote, OMA, and Huttons Great Steam Engine.

I'm into hip hop big time. I actually was in a hip hop group until recently. Definitly not mutually exclusive.

"On that subject, new Game album rules."

Hell yeah. His first album was my go-to record for bike rides up hills (which is anywhere you go in my town). The new one has the best Dre beats Dre never made.

Posted by pwfanatic37 on 2006-11-28 13:29:21
My Score:

the upcoming DVD will be Time's person of the year. mark my words. that show was absolutely ferocious.

Rap and hardcore are not mutually exclusive communities.

You'd be surprised how many hardcore kids (read: not tough guy) are actually into rap.

On that subject, new Game album rules.

Posted by Archangel on 2006-11-28 13:05:58
My Score:

The only reason I can associate anything beyond a blank stare with Sugarhill Gang is Scrubs. Score is for Scrubs.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 at 1:01 PM (EST)
My Score:

Sugarhill gang are the shit. "Have you ever been over to a friends house to eat and the food just ain't no good, I mean the macoroni's soggy the peas are mushed and the chicken tastes like WOOD"

Sugarhill Gang didn't start anything either, they were put together, like a boy band, to capitalize on the growing rap trend.

Just a few of the problems I have with this review:

"Anyone can sing along with "Rappers’ Delight" but find me someone at a Jay-Z show that can name a Botch song."

What is that supposed to mean? Although hardcore has made great strides it's retarted to compare it to rap. Of course most black people are not going to give a shit about it. Just like you don't give a shit about rap and chose to mention generic names like Jay-Z and Rapper's delight.

"It’s not as though this is some marketing ploy on the hands of Hyrda Head."

So reissuing an album years after it was originally released in hopes of gaining new fans for the band isn't a marketing ploy.

"There should be demand for this music, and with any luck there’ll be enough talk around multiple reissues to generate such demand."

This is what a marketing ploy does.

Dumb review.

Live DVD will KICK!

I saw them on the final Murder City Devils tour, blew my brains all over the inside of my skull.

*looking at the song titles on the back of my ANTHOLOGY cd*

So fuckimg fummy.

Posted by moneenerd on 2006-11-28 10:32:29
My Score:

also, the DVD is gonna kill everything in it's path.

anyone here see their performance on that black and white sXe movie "The Edge Of *something something*"?

so dope. score is for that 30 second performance clip.

this album was forgettable when it came out, so i see no reason for myself to buy the reissue. thanks to trustkill and vistory, reissues make me fuckin sick.

ANTHOLOGY and ROMANS might be more attractive as reissues, but I found this collection of old material almost as bad as Grade's attempt on "Embarassing Beginnings" or whatever it's called.

I'm also PRETTY sure that Converge more or less had a heavy influence on Botch, not the other way around, but that's just what I've learned.

PS, that last one was for you Getty Lee!

lets break out the shot guns, we're going to town!

Posted by davepwnt on 2006-11-28 09:30:54
My Score:

To the guy who said he failed to mention the 7 inch stuff: "Offering material from early 7-inches,". It's right in the review.

I would start with We are the Romans, and then go to Anthology of Dead Ends before this. But if you see it, it's certainly worth picking up

the o fortuna cover is immense, and i've heard a song called "our friends in the great white north" or something like that, so i might check these guys out... "we are the romans" is their masterpiece so i've heard, is this a good place to start?

"Most of the songs on Unifying Themes show the band beginning to create what would come to be the foundation for bands like Converge and Dillinger Escape Plan"

Uhhh...

Anyone can sing along with "Rappers’ Delight" but find me someone at a Jay-Z show that can name a Botch song.

This is the most ridiculous statement I've read on this site in a long time. Sugar Hill Gang put out one of the first raps ever on wax. What the fuck did Botch start? They aren't exactly Black Sabbath.

Christ, I have one of Botch's albums of my computer and I couldn't name one of their songs.

like bringing a knife to a gun fight?

whoops, my bad.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 at 1:03 AM (EST)
My Score:

botch are better then you.

- (the real) the ryan

- i SO can't wait for my cd/dvd/t-shirt package to come in

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 at 1:00 AM (EST)
My Score:

agreed. it's solid, but new fans should start with we are the romans or an anthology of dead ends. i just preordered the new live cd/dvd, can't fucking wait.

Posted by Archangel on 2006-11-28 00:57:31
My Score:

Kenjamin: "Offering material from early 7-inches, compilations, rarities, and a full live set that were originally released together back in 2002, Unifying Themes Redux sadly offers nothing new to listeners."

Anyway, score is for Botch, Minus the Bear, and These Arms Are Snakes.

slow day for reviews.

The cover of Rock Lobster is awesome. Botch rules but this is kind of forgettable. You failed to mention that this is a collection of 7-inches.