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Modest Mouse

We Were Dead Before the Ship Even Sank
2007
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Review by: Aubin
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Published on March 20th 2007

Perhaps the greatest thing about Modest Mouse -- and this has been blatantly clear since The Moon and Antartica -- is that you will never be able to complain that you’ve heard it before; not from this band, and certainly not from anyone else. Even though the band has sold more than a million records, recruited a former Smith, and has become an indie reference point for even the most mainstream of the mainstream, you can always count on Isaac Brock to baffle you with his constant left turns, bizarre arrangements and yet consistently memorable material.

At the root, Modest Mouse has always had its roots in the rich tradition of American indie rock: equals parts punk rock chest-beating, country-fried hooks, post-punk angularity and alternating moments of sarcasm and sincerity. The past five records have managed to create an encompassing catalogue of these sounds, never favoring one over the other, and often finding a way to elegantly combine them in each song. Like many of their peers -- particular their kindred spirits in Built to Spill -- it seems that they would forever be relegated to critical acclaim and quiet recognition, but Good News for People Who Love Bad News changed all that.

Now, on the heels of that 2004 breakthrough, the band has opted not for another sparkling single, but instead dug even deeper into that bag of sounds. Even the addition of a legend like Johnny Marr hasn’t affected the band’s disorienting and mesmerizing sound. His presence is certainly felt, particularly on the narrow bridges which populate the many tracks on We Were Dead: the arena-filling solo in “Fire It Up”; the bombast of “Parting of the Sensory”; or the ringing notes which kick off “Little Motel.” Smiths fans will find the most comfort in “People as Places as People” and won’t mind that their celibate Englishman has been replaced with a slightly ornery Midwesterner.

Granted, the first single, “Dashboard,” with its heavy ska base and guitar bravado has the kind of easily accessible hooks and sing-along quality that engendered so much love for “Float On,” and despite the fact that people might not find this as outright strange as Lonesome Crowded West, the slightly off-kilter melodic sense is still intact and wonderfully so. Compared to Good News, the album is certainly denser, stranger and less immediately inviting to traditional rock fans.

But that might be because following up a successful album is a tricky thing, particularly for an established act; some bands aim squarely at their roots, often purposely alienating the mainstream audience they’ve built (Green Day’s Insomniac, the Offspring’s Ixnay) and others cater even more forcefully towards their new fans (Fall Out Boy’s Infinity on High) but finding a balance -- particularly when you have the kind of expansive, under-the-radar catalogue of Modest Mouse -- is a real challenge.

Thankfully, the band has found that precarious middle ground; We Were Dead is certainly closer to the band’s drunken roots, but is among the most satisfying and inviting records they’ve made. Like a few other major label acts (the Flaming Lips, Mr. Bungle) Modest Mouse has always managed to succeed by bringing traditional music fans closer to their sound, rather than diluting their bite in the hopes of scoring another hit.



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    Posted by RoyalWithCheese on 2008-07-17 18:32:22

    Fantastic album. I just wish to see them live someday

    Posted by mcgregor107 on 2007-05-25 22:08:45

    Good CD.
    Word.

    Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 23, 2007 at 11:38 AM (EDT)

    jones for boners favorite band!

    Posted by klonny on 2007-03-22 18:27:39

    Hrmmm...I'm gonna say it. If you don't like Modest Mouse, your taste in music sucks.

    With that said, Little Motel is one of the best songs this band has ever recorded. One of the best songs ever, for that matter.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 22, 2007 at 3:54 PM (EDT)

    i dont give a fuck about these shmucks. however, johnny fucking marr? goddam thats like the fat kid at your school fucking kate moss...unbelievable.

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 22, 2007 at 2:44 AM (EDT)

    "Will, have you read any of your own reviews?"

    1) No, not really.

    2) The reviews I wrote were about albums, not bands. No band is consistently flawless, I just chose to review the best albums by them. It would be different if I were to proclaim that everything Void ever recorded was brilliant beyond question (in fact, I think their unreleased Touch and Go record is hilariously bad).

    -Will

    Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 22, 2007 at 2:26 AM (EDT)

    i wouldnt call Modest Mouse the pink floyd of our time... they remind me a lot more of the Pixies than anything else.

    havent heard this yet, but want to.

    Posted by Hey_Asshole on 2007-03-22 00:58:46

    also...kill whitey.

    cunt rags

    Posted by greg0rb on 2007-03-21 23:10:46
    My Score:

    Props on the review Aubin.

    "Florida" totally owns and I love all of the James Mercer backup vocals in here. Time will tell if this tops Good News for me, but I like it a lot so far. I actually think it's less weird than Good News, less of the Tom Wait-ish scary vocals.
    -Greg

    Posted by Archangel on 2007-03-21 23:07:31

    Will, have you read any of your own reviews?

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 10:56 PM (EDT)

    "Don't have it yet, but I know as well as everyone else who's listened to MM that they're brilliant and this will be no exception. There is absolutely no chance that this couldnt be good. None. 0. I will love this and I can't wait to get it."

    Fanboys suck.

    -Will

    Posted by SuperRad on 2007-03-21 21:59:42
    My Score:

    Don't have it yet, but I know as well as everyone else who's listened to MM that they're brilliant and this will be no exception. There is absolutely no chance that this couldnt be good. None. 0. I will love this and I can't wait to get it.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 8:33 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    such a solid disc.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 6:07 PM (EDT)

    this is a great review. and it's fair because it's also a great record.
    -TOBB

    Posted by epoch on 2007-03-21 16:25:26

    i like that one song, u know the one where its like "atmosphere lalala" i saw them on snl and the lead singer was so cute and fat and the band just didnt care about there close! u can tell they r real artists the way that indi guys wear tweed jackets and stuff, sooooo cool! yay!

    then i herd the same song on teh radio when i wuz buying my new living room furniture and it made me buy this ugly brown peas of shit so i cud show every1 how little i care about my appaearnc and indie i am, keke

    All indie sounds the fucking same.
    Cut yourself.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 1:35 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    This isn't a bad album, but its nowhere near as good as they're earlier work. I can't see myself playing this too often.

    Also, Pink Floyd isn't that great. Up to Darkside of the Moon they're pretty good but the only album of theirs I consider essential is Piper At The Gates of Dawn.

    MM is great but not even close to the greatness that is The Smiths.

    Posted by Scruffy on 2007-03-21 13:13:23

    "i havent heard this and good news was ok. but i honestly think this band is the pink floyd of our time. You can't talk bad about them. Please listen to lonesome crowded west. They are easily one of the best rock bands of all time. Theyre better than the smiths. there i said it. And will im sure Public Enemy was not talking about bands like mm when they said that. the hype is very well deserved"

    Do you actually see Pink Floyd as a band of such unassailable quality that no one can rightfully talk bad about them? They have good albums and bad albums, sure, but it's not like they're perfect.
    Also, The Smiths blow MM out of the water any day of the week.
    It's people like you saying things like that that make me want to say I hate Modest Mouse (I'm actually just indifferent to them) just for the reaction.

    Posted by fritobandito on 2007-03-21 13:07:53

    I honestly just can't get into this band. never have been able to, have been trying on and off for years. *shrug* not my brand of indie rock, I suppose. dude's voice just bothers me somehow.

    Posted by freesandwich on 2007-03-21 10:18:54
    My Score:

    Where is the Good Charlotte review?

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 3:27 AM (EDT)

    better than larry arms and nofx.

    Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 21, 2007 at 1:33 AM (EDT)

    This is almost identical to the Pitchfork review.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 11:57 PM (EDT)

    i havent heard this and good news was ok. but i honestly think this band is the pink floyd of our time. You can't talk bad about them. Please listen to lonesome crowded west. They are easily one of the best rock bands of all time. Theyre better than the smiths. there i said it. And will im sure Public Enemy was not talking about bands like mm when they said that. the hype is very well deserved

    Posted by phantasm on 2007-03-20 23:00:35

    i cant say ive heard this album. but i myself always thought these guys were VERY over rated.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 10:10 PM (EDT)

    It is knife cuttingly good i guess?

    Posted by nocigar on 2007-03-20 21:12:49

    and I wasn't mocking him for liking Common Rider, in fact, I own two of their albums. I was mocking him because of how he said this band sucks..even though they make music a fuckload more complicated and entertaining than the ska/reggae or whatever you want to call it mix that Common Rider plays.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 9:10 PM (EDT)

    "ska" base...just because the guitar is funky doesn't mean it is a "ska" base. fucking nerds.

    Posted by sweetsugarpezz on 2007-03-20 20:55:37

    yeah, plus millencolin has some great moments. pennybridge pioneers was ace.

    Posted by nocigar on 2007-03-20 20:40:28

    I really didn't think user names ever meant much on here, maybe i missed something?

    Posted by Scruffy on 2007-03-20 20:15:58

    What's funny is that Rolling Stone's review basically says it's still neurotic and whatnot, that that is getting boring over the past decade of albums, and that they should change.

    Of course, we all know that Rolling Stone is a bastion of flawless rock journalism.

    Posted by Scruffy on 2007-03-20 20:14:09

    "oh man, if this band sucked any harder, they would be a small black hole.

    scientifically speaking, that comment is probably wrong...but the point remains valid. fuck this band.

    says the guy who has Common Rider as a top rated album."

    Dude, your name is a Millencolin reference. How are you mocking someone for liking Common Rider?

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 7:37 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    I love this band, have for years, but this album was a huge disappointment.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 7:19 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    it's a good album. i mean, modest mouse can be split into two bands really. modest mouse one being everything up to good news, when they were pretty moody and a little more raw.

    then there is new MM, which is a creditable and pretty decent indie band, but they should not be compared to the old stuff because it's so different. the new MM are good, but the old stuff was something else.

    Posted by leecorsoisapenis on 2007-03-20 18:41:46
    My Score:

    "why does everyone have to always fill jock every mediocre band that the music industry tells them to listen to?

    I'm sorry, but when I got into this band, there was hardly a single person around who had heard of them, let alone tell me to listen to them. The mainstream music industry wouldn't touch these guys when "Lonesome Crowded West" came out.

    Also, now having the lyrics in front of me, I find this album to be even more amazing then I had originally thought.

    To the guy who asked if purchasing the "special edition" is worth it, I'm not sure. I bought it, and the casing and booklet are freaking beautiful, but I haven't seen the lower priced one. I wouldn't have gone for the cheaper one as nice as this looks.

    Jim

    Posted by iconoclast on 2007-03-20 18:02:57

    this band can do no wrong. great album.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 5:30 PM (EDT)

    "This is the best band of our generation. Deal with it."

    Hahaha, yeah right.

    I mean, if people can get into this shit, cool, but why does everyone have to always fill jock every mediocre band that the music industry tells them to listen to? In the words of PE, "don't believe the hype, aight?"

    -Will

    Posted by colin on 2007-03-20 16:15:24

    The very fact that Colin hates this record makes me think that I am correct in thinking that it is very, very good.

    so... you love fall out boy and don't like anything else modest mouse has ever done, i take it?

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 4:06 PM (EDT)

    "i loved picking out the johnny marr lines in every song"

    explain yourself ... i dont get it. he plays guitar. are you just saying this to sound cool ... please explain what the hell is going on

    Posted by nocigar on 2007-03-20 16:03:38

    oh man, if this band sucked any harder, they would be a small black hole.

    scientifically speaking, that comment is probably wrong...but the point remains valid. fuck this band.


    says the guy who has Common Rider as a top rated album.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 4:01 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    The very fact that Colin hates this record makes me think that I am correct in thinking that it is very, very good.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 3:54 PM (EDT)

    this record is incredible. I think the their best yet.

    Posted by colinsociety on 2007-03-20 14:23:34
    My Score:

    really good review, great album. listened to it all the way through last night for the first time and i loved picking out the johnny marr lines in every song.

    Posted by nocigar on 2007-03-20 13:51:54
    My Score:

    wow, this album is incredible.

    Posted by colin on 2007-03-20 13:47:52

    scott;

    while i realize people change and generally encourage it, modest mouse has a very... i'd say trademark sound that they've mastered over years and years. this album damn near completely abandons it in one fell swoop, and to become what?

    if it weren't for brock's vocals it wouldn't be a modest mouse record. the music is generic indie pop, which songs begin and end obviously and abruptly, whereas their other records all feel cohesive, with songs blending together to form chapters of a bigger book.

    Posted by maverick on 2007-03-20 13:28:44
    My Score:

    "what happened to the pensive and neurotic isaac brock that penned the moon and antarctica?"

    Well, he saw that you had the market cornered on pensive and neurotic, so he decided to move on.

    Seriously, though, your comment is pretty ridiculous. People change! Sorry if a dude isn't crazy enough for you anymore.

    This record's pretty good, but I liked the last one more.

    -Scott

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 1:27 PM (EDT)

    I don't people are falling head over heels to say that Johnny Marr joined the band, but it's pretty clearly big news.

    Johnny Marr was the guitarist in The Smiths, an absolutely legendary band that people go berserk over, and now he's just jumped in and joined a modern indie band that was already established without him, rather than remaining a mystery or doing his own thing, in which he was the focal point.

    Given the fact that most (or at least many) lineup changes or additions are mentioned It's pretty damn noteworthy that a band of Modest Mouse's current stature just picked up a guitarist of Marr's historic stature. It's pretty big news.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 1:03 PM (EDT)

    not a midwesterner. Come on.

    Posted by ryannn on 2007-03-20 12:21:17

    yes i know, i screwed up in the numbering

    Posted by ryannn on 2007-03-20 12:20:35
    My Score:

    Fantastic record, while the first half is really poppy the sec9nd half is absolutely amazing. I'd rank the second half up there with any of the bands past material.

    I'd rank the albums like this:
    1. Lonesome Crowded West
    2. Building Nothing out of Something (not a "proper" album but it contains some of the bands best songs)
    2.Moon and Antarctica
    3. we were dead..
    4. Long drive
    5. good news

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 12:03 PM (EDT)
    My Score:

    dont get em' -oldpunker-

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 11:06 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    This album doesn't live up to all the hype that it's created. I only like a few songs (2-3) from all that is offered.

    A total disappoint for me since everyone talks about Modest Mouse being the next big thing.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 11:03 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    this band owns

    Posted by sickboi on 2007-03-20 10:06:05

    I just can't get into this band. Does absolutely nothing for me.

    Posted by albertfreddyingram on 2007-03-20 03:42:26
    My Score:

    Excuse my Ignorance to the Smiths and all, but what is the big deal about Marr joining this band???

    I think this band is and would have been successful without his addition, so why are people focusing so much on the addition of a former Smiths dude?

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 3:41 AM (EDT)

    best band. fuck the haters...go listen to fucking metallica you POSEURS!

    Posted by colin on 2007-03-20 03:29:52
    My Score:

    this album blows compared to the rest of the band's catalog. it's a shame. what happened to the pensive and neurotic isaac brock that penned the moon and antarctica? the emotive and low key but equally neurotic and frenetic vocal styles of the past releases seemingly were abandoned for the sound of "bury me with it." listening to brock bark his vocals in the past was great because it was made with a point, a garnish on a much deeper and filling album. this seems empty by comparison, trashy pop indie rock, abandoning the very 'northwest' feeling of their old records.

    a terrible letdown other than four songs (1, 3, 5, and 'spitting venom')

    Posted by Hey_Asshole on 2007-03-20 01:34:36

    oh man, if this band sucked any harder, they would be a small black hole.

    scientifically speaking, that comment is probably wrong...but the point remains valid. fuck this band.

    Posted by punkinohio on 2007-03-20 01:10:30

    I bet johnny marr is realizing how lucky he was to have someone like morrissey make his music memorable. This is a waste of talent.

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 12:34 AM (EDT)

    where is the BIG D AND THE KIDS TABLE review?

    Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 20, 2007 at 12:22 AM (EDT)
    My Score:

    i'm only a casual modest mouse listener (mostly lonesome crowded west), but i'm really enjoying this, particularly the parting of the sensory.

    though i still can't wrap my head around the fact that johnny marr is in the band now.

    Posted by dildonicsboy on 2007-03-20 00:12:14

    does anyone have any information about the deluxe edition. Is it worth 5 extra bucks. I'm a pretty big MM fan, I'm also pretty poor.

    Also, does anyone know a cheaper place to buy the vinyl from other than the sony store?

    Posted by Archangel on 2007-03-20 00:04:04
    My Score:

    This is the best band of our generation. Deal with it.