Interviews: Ev Gold (Cinema Cinema)

Cinema Cinema is one bad-ass duo. Guitarist/vocalist Ev Gold stomps around the stage, swinging his guitar like an axe while he screams, growls, and hisses nasty things into the microphone. Meanwhile, Paul Claro, who is Gold's cousin, hits the drums so hard that they literally shimmy across the stage as he plays. It sounds sort of like heavy metal played as hardcore punk -- vicious, energetic and with a little bit of swing.

The group just released their new album A Night at the Fights and finished a really, really long tour opening for Black Flag. So, features editor John Gentile spoke to Gold about the new album, boxing, reincarnation and generally being nice to people.

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The album is called "A Night at the Fights." There is a track called
"Raging Bull." How do boxing and Cinema Cinema intersect?

When my cousin Paul, who drums, and I step on stage, we go toe
to toe with each other, facing off in attempt to elevate the room we are
about to play. The intent is to shake things up, so people can remember
they are alive and be in the moment with us. We both aim every bit of
energy we possess directly at center stage. We play every show like it’s
our last. We keep a rigorous schedule between practice and touring. We
apply razor sharp focus with songwriting and recording. It’s not unlike
being some sort of crazed, insanely driven athlete. I can see a slight
correlation between a boxer and an artist, the drive and guts it takes to
move forward at all costs, to get up off the canvas after getting knocked
down. There’s a common struggle coupled with an unquestionable commitment. Both share a path filled with obstacles, dead ends and little support. It takes a perseverance that not all have.

Who’s going to win Mayweather v. Maidana II?

I have no idea. I’m a baseball fan. I would guess whichever guy wants it more is going to take it. Hunger always wins out.

You have an unexplained reference to the year 1994 in the song "Decades." What happened in that year?

There is not a specific incident that happened in 1994 which I am
referring to in "Decades."  In song, I often use words to provoke thought
and feeling in the listener rather than draw upon a linear storyline. That
year happened to have some significance in my personal history. I guess
that is why it became a detail in the lyric. That was the year I joined my
first band, beginning the crazy and amazing musical journey that has led
me to this interview, in present day. I was 15, turning 16 then.
Everything was starting.

I also caught a sly reference to Bob Dylan in "2010." What does Dylan
mean to you, a nasty, mean punk-metal hybrid?

Yes, I reference "It’s Alright Ma, (I’m Only Bleeding)" in a
particularly twisted section, three quarters of the way through "2010."
Dylan’s power is in his fearlessness. His work is required reading in my
mind. He’s been a cornerstone influence since day one for me. I heard
"Like a Rolling Stone" when I was 10 years old and I was changed forever.

Along those lines, on "2010" you state "I can see how your story ends/it begins again." Are you believers in reincarnation? Second chances?

Yes! I have been fascinated by the idea of reincarnation since I was
young. During the summer of 2011, I randomly found this book on a stoop in
Brooklyn called "The Scope of Reincarnation" by William Q. Judge, from 1960. I tucked it in my backpack along with my lyric notebook. They remained neighbors for a while. When lyrical themes for A Night at the Fights
began to present themselves in the ideas that I was gathering, as I
rummaged and reviewed all my notes, I identified reincarnation as one.
Thus, the opening song on the album, which is called "Broad Daylight," contains the
lyrics: "re…in…car…nate, right on time, never too late." The reincarnation
theme re-emerges later, during "Gowanus Ghost" as well as "Minute" and the
aforementioned "2010."

On the new album, you worked with famed producer Martin Bisi, who's worked with everyone from Sonic Youth to Brian Eno to Herbie Hancock! How influential was he on the release’s sound? What did he bring to the table?

Martin worked just as hard on this recording as Paul and me. He brings
this beautifully insane amount of care and attention to the work that he
is involved in. His ear and his energy are both second to none. He is
special. We proudly give him "producer" credit on this recording. His
vision was allowed to breathe the same air as ours and in that communion,
a greater and deeper sound was found on each song. He brought details to
light that would have been otherwise missed. We hope to work with him
again in the future.

You recently toured with Black Flag. What did you learn from watching Greg Ginn play?

This summer’s tour opening for Black Flag was actually the sixth time
that Cinema Cinema has been out on the road with a Ginn/SST project.
Dating back to 2010, we’ve gone out with The Taylor Texas Corrugators as
well as The Royal We, both before Black Flag reunited. There aren’t
sufficient words for me to describe the amount of respect I have for Greg.
The influence that I have been fortunate enough to absorb, being able to
witness his guitar playing and approach in numerous settings, across
multiple genres, is staggering. It’s profoundly informed my playing. His
work ethic, energy and kindness have also been teachers to me.

Similarly, did you get caught up in any of the Black Flag/FLAG/Ron Reyes drama?

No.

Good to hear! Now, you are cousins. Does a blood relation conjure up a musical chemistry not found in other relationships?

So far it definitely seems so. We have a musical telepathy, I don’t
know where it comes from, but it is uncanny. It has to be the bloodline
that we share. We both have expressed that the feeling we get when playing
together is like nothing else. It feels like we are fulfilling our purpose
in life. Also, being cousins as opposed to say brothers, there is NO
sibling rivalry. It’s replaced with a great shared admiration for one
another. We are each other’s biggest fans and both care deeply about the
band.

A wide variety of reviews say something like, "If punk was truly meant to
open possibilities, Cinema Cinema are a perfect example of just how far
those explorations can go." I got that quote from "Big Takeover" magazine. This is a common theme in
your reviews. Why do so many viewers see your music as breaking the
"rules" of punk, but embodying the spirit?

Because punk rock is about being yourself, an expression of
individuality. Cinema Cinema embodies that unique spirit, the true grit of
punk… while not sounding or looking like what most of the mainstream
world has come to identify as punk. The uniform idea of a look or a
sound associated with punk immediately makes it into a tiny word. We
have always felt "punk" was a word so large that everyone can have their own
meaning! If we are breaking rules by maintaining our musical freedom, then
we will never stop. When it comes to our music, rules don't exist.

I love your frantic, physical live show. Do you do some sort of warm up,
or do you just go out there and tear it up?

Thanks for the kind words! We take pride in leaving a mark with our
live performance. As far as a specific warm up? Nothing really, we will
usually joke around while speaking in English accents a la Spinal Tap
right before going onstage.

How damaged are you the next
day?

If you're doing what you love, the pain is worth it.

Despite the vicious sound of your music, I get the impression that you
guys are nice guys. Are you nice guys?

NO! We're not nice guys at all. [laughs] Um, don’t ruin our reputation! We are mean
Brooklyn assholes! Actually, we are all about the love
and peace and music. We always look to treat others with the same respect
that we would like to be treated with as we traverse this path.

Ah, but, then, how can such nice guys make such mean music?

Its therapy. Its exorcism. It’s out of our hands really, that’s just
what transmits through us at the present time. There could very well be a
happy sounding album that comes along one day from Cinema Cinema, that day just isn’t now.

What’s next for Cinema Cinema?

Being that we have already done over 60 shows this year…most of
those opening for Black Flag across North America between May and August. Respect and thanks to SST Records! This fall, we are looking to focus on moving onward with the collaboration we started last year, with
jazz/world saxophonist Matt Darriau. We performed with him, in trio, as
CCMD, a few times last fall in NYC. It’s something completely different.
We hope to record with him at some point before the end of the year, and
there will be a few shows. While doing so, we are planning CC’s next
touring moves and just keeping our eye on the ball.